And The Border Is Secure??????

[ImmortalFlame]

That was based on what some witnesses were saying.

No. It was based on one Facebook post from someone who was saying that somebody else was told it happened by a third person.

There have been no actual cases of it happening.

I saw one individual saying on another channel that he saw a group of them grabbing ducks or geese or something. You don't know for sure what they were doing. Maybe the witness was lying, but maybe not.

Do you think blurting out rumours as facts, despite all evidence to the contrary and there being absolutely zero credible reports, is a perfectly reasonable and sensible thing for someone who wants to be the most powerful person in the world to do in the middle of a presidential debate to millions of people?

The other question is, why say it at all? Why pick that specific non-fact about that specific group, exactly?

 

[PureX]

No the claim has been thoroughly debunked

The Origins of Trump’s False Claim That Immigrants Are Eating Pets

Yes. By both the mayor and the police chief. The two people most likely to know.

 

[SkepticThinker]

That was based on what some witnesses were saying. I saw one individual saying on another channel that he saw a group of them grabbing ducks or geese or something. You don't know for sure what they were doing. Maybe the witness was lying, but maybe not.

Nah, it wasn't.
Please stop spreading known falsehoods.

 

[metis]

You mean the fake news. The news that lied about Trump being spied on? The news that lied about the Hunter laptop? The news that claimed Kamala was the border czar, and then later kept saying she wasn't the border czar? The news that lied to us about masks during covid? The news that won't report on things if it conflicts with the narrative they want to push?

What a childish and nonsensical response the above is. I get my news from numerous sources even including the likes of Fox. Thus, I tend to think that you're only a "truebeliever" in yourself.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The data presented was from the ICE Deputy Director. Are you saying he is incorrect?

Where do you get the idea that the news, not opinions presented by Fox is propaganda. At least they are not the lap dogs of the Democrats (reference the debate between Trump and Harris).

Fox is actually doing a hellava good job reporting these day on the dirty tactics and sheer corruption of the left who loves so much to paint themselves as the only good guys.

 

[Argentbear]

Fox is actually doing a hellava good job reporting these day on the dirty tactics and sheer corruption of the left who loves so much to paint themselves as the only good guys.

dirty tactics like photoshopping the pictures of liberals to make them less attractive?
Or photoshopping in armed protestors into marches when reporting on BLM?
Or Illegally acquiring nude pictures of individuals and then broadcasting them a move known as "revenge porn"?

and remind me of just how many millions Fox News had to pay out for their fake claims about voting machines.

 

[Twilight Hue]

dirty tactics like photoshopping the pictures of liberals to make them less attractive?
Or photoshopping in armed protestors into marches when reporting on BLM?
Or Illegally acquiring nude pictures of individuals and then broadcasting them a move known as "revenge porn"?

and remind me of just how many millions Fox News had to pay out for their fake claims about voting machines.

If they do ill , then they need to pay the consequences. Don't even start by implying the left wing media dosent do the same.

 

[Argentbear]

If they do ill , then they need to pay the consequences. Don't even start by implying the left wing media dosent do the same.

What left leaning news network has done any of these things?

 

[Twilight Hue]

What left leaning news network has done any of these things?

The left wing conspiracy nuts.

Left-Wing Misinformation Is Having a Moment

America’s right flank remains the chief purveyor of misinformation, but this summer’s political tumult created ideal conditions for falsehoods to spread among progressives.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Argentbear]

The left wing conspiracy nuts.

Left-Wing Misinformation Is Having a Moment

America’s right flank remains the chief purveyor of misinformation, but this summer’s political tumult created ideal conditions for falsehoods to spread among progressives.

www.nytimes.com

not even close to the question I asked.

 

[Valjean]

Fox sort of forgot to report that the numbers are the totals of incidents starting in 1984. Numbers got sorta big if you collect them for 40 years

Also sort of forgot to compare the figures with the crime rates of native-born citizens.
Immigrant crime rates are significantly lower.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Fox is actually doing a hellava good job reporting these day on the dirty tactics and sheer corruption of the left who loves so much to paint themselves as the only good guys.

Suuuuuuuure.

If they do ill , then they need to pay the consequences. Don't even start by implying the left wing media dosent do the same.

They don't.

"dirty tactics like photoshopping the pictures of liberals to make them less attractive?
Or photoshopping in armed protestors into marches when reporting on BLM?
Or Illegally acquiring nude pictures of individuals and then broadcasting them a move known as "revenge porn"?"


That last one sounds like one of MTG's favourite past times though.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Nah, it wasn't.
Please stop spreading known falsehoods.

Yes it was. I saw a man on the news saying it with my own eyes. Mainstream news LIES to you. You can deny it all you want.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes it was. I saw a man on the news saying it with my own eyes. Mainstream news LIES to you. You can deny it all you want.

Oh, you saw a man on the news saying it! Well, that settles it! Some guy on TV said it. But also, the mainstream news lies to you.

LOL You must be joking.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Oh, you saw a man on the news saying it! Well, that settles it! Some guy on TV said it. But also, the mainstream news lies to you.

LOL You must be joking.

He was denying that anyone had been making the claim. I saw someone making the claim myself. I didn't say it was a true claim. So you are jumping in not knowing the conversation evidently.

But fake news has lied to us over and over and over.

 

[SkepticThinker]

He was denying that anyone had been making the claim. I saw someone making the claim myself. I didn't say it was a true claim. So you are jumping in not knowing the conversation evidently.

But fake news has lied to us over and over and over.

Your evidence was that you saw a guy on TV.

Now you're claiming fake news.

So the news is fake, but you saw a guy on TV saying it. So that must not be fake news?
What are you trying to say?

Buddy, you responded to this conversation to tell me you saw a guy on TV saying something. If I don't have enough information, then that's your failing, not mine. You had your chance and you told me you saw some guy on TV. That's all you offered up.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Your evidence was that you saw a guy on TV.

Now you're claiming fake news.

So the news is fake, but you saw a guy on TV saying it. So that must not be fake news?
What are you trying to say?

Buddy, you responded to this conversation to tell me you saw a guy on TV saying something. If I don't have enough information, then that's your failing, not mine. You had your chance and you told me you saw some guy on TV. That's all you offered up.

Yes that proves that someone was making the claim. I saw them make it. I didn't say it was true. I am saying that it is true that someone was making that claim. Why are you being so argumentative about that?

I'm claiming fake news because of the lies they have told us.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Now you're claiming fake news.

Did they lie about Hunters laptop being Russian disinformation?

Did they lie when they said Kamala was the border czar? or was it when they said she wasn't the border czar?

Did they lie when they said Trumps campaign wasn't spied on?

Did they lie about the masks during Covid?

etc, etc, etc.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes that proves that someone was making the claim. I saw them make it. I didn't say it was true. I am saying that it is true that someone was making that claim.

You said, "That was based on what some witnesses were saying."

Now it's just one guy said something on TV. Who knows if he's actually a witness or anything at all.

This is how you derive your news?

And then you run around claiming that the mainstream media (I'm assuming that's what you mean by "fake news") lies all the time?
All while you're actively spreading fake news? Don't you see the irony there?

Why are you being so argumentative about that?

Because facts matter.

I'm claiming fake news because of the lies they have told us.

Like what lies?

Like some guy on TV said he saw something? Like that?

 

[TrueBeliever37]

You said, "That was based on what some witnesses were saying."

Now it's just one guy said something on TV. Who knows if he's actually a witness or anything at all.

This is how you derive your news?

And then you run around claiming that the mainstream media (I'm assuming that's what you mean by "fake news") lies all the time?
All while you're actively spreading fake news? Don't you see the irony there?

Because facts matter.

Like what lies?

Like some guy on TV said he saw something? Like that?

see post #138 for just a few of the many lies.