Angelogical/Demonological Fallacies

[Sasa]

Everytime I try to type and post something on this subject I feel it wrong to do so. Possibly because this is the wrong thread for this.

I think we've about covered the gammet of topics on this thread.

 

[FFH]

I think we've about covered the gammet of topics on this thread.

Well, somhow I always manage to shut down threads because I get too far off topic.

 

[zombieharlot]

Everytime I try to type and post something on this subject I feel it wrong to do so. Possibly because this is the wrong thread for this.

I don't really think it's off topic. After all, you said that after we die we can become angels. So how is speaking of salvation off topic, if it determines what kind of angel one is to become?

 

[Sasa]

I don't really think it's off topic. After all, you said that after we die we can become angels. So how is speaking of salvation off topic, if it determines what kind of angel one is to become?

I must have missed that. Die and become Angels?

 

[zombieharlot]

I must have missed that. Die and become Angels?

FFH mentioned that he uses the term angel. He said that when he was speaking of seeing Mary Magdalene.

 

[FFH]

I must have missed that. Die and become Angels?

Here is the LDS doctrine on angels as revealed to Joseph Smith.

Doctrine and Covenants 129

 

[Snowbear]

However, the only human to have ever been resurrected was Christ.

Gotta disagree with you on that one... Christ Himself resurrected a few according to Biblical accounts

 

[Sasa]

Gotta disagree with you on that one... Christ Himself resurrected a few according to biblical accounts

There's two meanings behind the word Resurrect. Yes, Jesus resurrected people from the dead, but he was the only one who's entire body was resurrected to Heaven. So, Jesus was actually resurrected twice. Once from the dead and once to Heaven.

 

[Sasa]

Here is the LDS doctrine on angels as revealed to Joseph Smith.

Doctrine and Covenants 129

I think the main discrepancy here is that Joseph Smith (good man that I'm sure he was) simply didn't understand the Spirit Realm. When we die, we leave our physical containers behind and we then have spiritual bodies. Angels are spiritual beings that are made of energy. God is the source of that energy. Nothing in the Spirit Realm is made of flesh and bone regardless of if it's demonic or angelic.

Mr. Smith's interpretation of Luke 24:39 is incorrect. Jesus said, "Look at My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself! Touch Me and see, because a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you can see I have." (HCSB)

He says right there that ghosts (spiritual beings) don't have flesh and bones. He was simply telling the disciples, "Yes, it's me. I've been resurrected from the dead." because upon first seeing him they thought he was a ghost.

 

[FFH]

Doctrine and Covenants 129 does not go against Luke 24: 39.

There are two types of angels, according to Doctrine and Covenants 129

1) Resurrected angels, who have immortal bodies of flesh and bones

2) Spirit angels, having no flesh and bones, not having been reunited with their bodies yet

 

[Sasa]

Doctrine and Covenants 129 does not go against Luke 24: 39.
There are two types of angels according to Doctrine and Covenants 129
1)Resurrected angels, who have an immortal body of flesh and bones, Jesus fitting into this catagory
2)Spirit angels, having no flesh and bones, not been reunited with their bodies yet

I'm not saying it's going against Luke 24:39 per se - I'm just saying it's misinterpreted. A lot of people misinterpret the scriptures and Mr. Smith was simply mistaken. There's no such thing as a resurrected angel or an immortal body of flesh and bones. There is one type of angel and one type only - the kind that God created. One cannot become an angel if one was created as a human. But I won't argue the point any further because I realize that many people have very deep rooted beliefs. What you believe is what you believe and I'm not going to try and convince you any further that he was wrong. It's certainly not something that your eternal life depends on knowing. One of these days (hopefully) we'll meet in Christ's Kingdom and we'll laugh about it then.

 

[FFH]

It's certainly not something that your eternal life depends on knowing. One of these days (hopefully) we'll meet in Christ's Kingdom and we'll laugh about it then.

Yes, and I tend to come off as being pretty serious, and basically am most of the time, concerning the truth's of God. I hate to see misconceptions amongst believers of God, just as you do.

The term angel is used in different ways in different religions. I understand that there will be confusion amongst the different religions concerning this. I just wanted to clarify where I was coming from.

 

[Bishka]

I wasn't really aware that LDS believed in demons. I guess I'm kind of confused on how demons can exist if all goes to heaven.

These are Lucifers followers who never gained a body. You can't go to heaven if you didn't get a body and these were the ones who never got a body. EVERYONE else has gotten and will get a body . Sorry I didn't make that cleaer.

 

[Bishka]

Sasa, you were saying the people misterpret the scriptures, and I agree with you, they do, and you do to. We all do.

 

[Snowbear]

There's two meanings behind the word Resurrect. Yes, Jesus resurrected people from the dead, but he was the only one who's entire body was resurrected to Heaven. So, Jesus was actually resurrected twice. Once from the dead and once to Heaven.

Huh - my understanding is that *resurrection* is to be brought back to life after one has died.
The Bible doesn't say Jesus was resurrected to Heaven, but was brought back to life (resurrected) after he was crucified and dead for 3 days. While He was still alive, He ascended to Heaven.... just as Enoch did...

Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

The Promise to the faithful is that we will be resurrected (brought back to life after being dead) to Heaven.

res·ur·rec·tion n.

1. The act of rising from the dead or returning to life.
2. The state of one who has returned to life.
3. The act of bringing back to practice, notice, or use; revival.
4. Resurrection Christianity.
   1. The rising again of Jesus on the third day after the Crucifixion.
   2. The rising again of the dead at the Last Judgment.

 

[Sasa]

Sasa, you were saying the people misterpret the scriptures, and I agree with you, they do, and you do to. We all do.

I agree with you too Becky. The only thing is that this information is not coming from me but through me. It's really coming from the Cherubic Order of Angels and they do NOT misinterpret the Scriptures.

 

[FFH]

Sasa, you were saying the people misterpret the scriptures, and I agree with you, they do, and you do to. We all do.

True true....

 

[Sasa]

Huh - my understanding is that *resurrection* is to be brought back to life after one has died.

I'm still waiting on clarification on that from the Order. I've got three oustings planned for this weekend and next week so we've been working on those. (The demons have been busy lately apparantly) I'll get back to you though, with what the Cherubs say about Resurrection more specifically.

 

[Bishka]

I agree with you too Becky. The only thing is that this information is not coming from me but through me. It's really coming from the Cherubic Order of Angels and they do NOT misinterpret the Scriptures.

I say your source is wrong as you say mine is. I say my information comes straight from God. Either way we'll agree to disagree

 

[gnostic]

Angels are spiritual beings that are made of energy. God is the source of that energy.

Then wouldn't Satan and other fallen angels come from that same source?