Yup, it would be interesting to see what prophecies they keep referencing as being fulfilled.
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Another irrefutable proof that God created all things using mathematical induction. And a proof that The Bible is the word of God.
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Yup, it would be interesting to see what prophecies they keep referencing as being fulfilled.
Subduction Zone
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
A lot of biblical prophecies are failed prophecies because they are so vague that there are multiple interpretations of when they were fuflilled.
RationalWiki has a vey good article on biblical prophecies:
Biblical prophecies
There are numerous Biblical prophecies, some vaguely fulfilled, others strangely unfulfilled. Of course, like the Bible, the Quran also contains what its followers maintain are fulfilled prophesies. Christians tend to find these unconvincing or silly — which is coincidentally the attitude which...
They have some very good standards on what terms must be met for a "true biblical prophecy":
Criteria for a true prophecy[edit]
For a statement to be Biblical foreknowledge, it must fit all of the five following criteria:- It must be accurate. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it is not accurate, because knowledge (and thus foreknowledge) excludes inaccurate statements. TLDR: It's true.
- It must be in the Bible. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it is not in the Bible, because Biblical by definition foreknowledge can only come from the Bible itself, rather than modern reinterpretations of the text. TLDR: It's in plain words in the Bible.
- It must be precise and unambiguous. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if meaningless philosophical musings or multiple possible ideas could fulfill the foreknowledge, because ambiguity prevents one from knowing whether the foreknowledge was intentional rather than accidental. TLDR: Vague "predictions" don't count.
- It must be improbable. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it reasonably could be the result of a pure guess, because foreknowledge requires a person to actually know something true, while a correct guess doesn't mean that the guesser knows anything. This also excludes contemporary beliefs that happened be true but were believed to be true without solid evidence. TLDR: Lucky guesses don't count.
- It must have been unknown. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it reasonably could be the result of an educated guess based off contemporary knowledge, because foreknowledge requires a person to know a statement when it would have been impossible, outside of supernatural power, for that person to know it. TLDR: Ideas of the time don't count.
SavedByTheLord
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Exactly and the very many of the prophecies from the Bible have come true with exact details and timing.A lot of biblical prophecies are failed prophecies because they are so vague that there are multiple interpretations of when they were fuflilled.
RationalWiki has a vey good article on biblical prophecies:
Biblical prophecies
There are numerous Biblical prophecies, some vaguely fulfilled, others strangely unfulfilled. Of course, like the Bible, the Quran also contains what its followers maintain are fulfilled prophesies. Christians tend to find these unconvincing or silly — which is coincidentally the attitude which...rationalwiki.org
They have some very good standards on what terms must be met for a "true biblical prophecy":
Criteria for a true prophecy[edit]
For a statement to be Biblical foreknowledge, it must fit all of the five following criteria:
- It must be accurate. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it is not accurate, because knowledge (and thus foreknowledge) excludes inaccurate statements. TLDR: It's true.
- It must be in the Bible. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it is not in the Bible, because Biblical by definition foreknowledge can only come from the Bible itself, rather than modern reinterpretations of the text. TLDR: It's in plain words in the Bible.
- It must be precise and unambiguous. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if meaningless philosophical musings or multiple possible ideas could fulfill the foreknowledge, because ambiguity prevents one from knowing whether the foreknowledge was intentional rather than accidental. TLDR: Vague "predictions" don't count.
- It must be improbable. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it reasonably could be the result of a pure guess, because foreknowledge requires a person to actually know something true, while a correct guess doesn't mean that the guesser knows anything. This also excludes contemporary beliefs that happened be true but were believed to be true without solid evidence. TLDR: Lucky guesses don't count.
- It must have been unknown. A statement cannot be Biblical foreknowledge if it reasonably could be the result of an educated guess based off contemporary knowledge, because foreknowledge requires a person to know a statement when it would have been impossible, outside of supernatural power, for that person to know it. TLDR: Ideas of the time don't count.
All meeting the criteria you listed.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I should have linked the article that came from:
Acceptance of evolution vs. religiosity in the U.S.
This Thursday I'm giving a talk at Oakland University in Michigan on the evidence for evolution and the reason why Americans reject it. Drop by if you live in the area, and I'll be glad to sign copies
whyevolutionistrue.com
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Then why can't I find any such prophecies? Why can't you post any such prophecies.
Why don't you post one and we can see if it meets the standards that I listed.
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
I have and you just ignored them.
What do you think about the attack on Israel?
That fulfills many Biblical prophecies.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
Then remove those beams out of your eyes.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Since most of your posts consist of spamming endless questions that a simple bit of searching would get you the answers to, and then totally ignoring any substantive answers you get (or dismiss it with another baseless assertion), accusing others of ignoring you is staggering double standards.
I've looked at many supposed biblical prophecies and they've all turned out to be a joke. Wishful thinking doesn't get near to covering it.
McBell
Unbound
Genesis does no such thing.
Neither have you.
McBell
Unbound
Same old boring bold empty claims.
you really do need a new song and dance.
I mean, no one is buy the snake oil you are trying to sell
McBell
Unbound
Really?
Many prophecies?
List them.
And no, "its in the Bible" does not count as listing them.
we will need specific verses.
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
For starters, the attack on Israel is Biblical prophecy fulfilled with exact timing and details.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Unargued assertion. Endless unargued assertions suggest a lack of confidence and/or evasion. You need to be specific about what verses you refer to and how they relate to what happened.
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
That would be a good description of evolution and billions of years,
The proof I gave using mathematical induction is irrefutable.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
So you can't provide any specifics about your assertion of fulfilled prophecy. Hence, we can all disregard it.
It was mathematically and logically illiterate.
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
Well since you did not like it, that means that they were irrefutable.
Have you met the challenge I gave yet?
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Non sequitur.Lots of them. As have other people. Ignoring the answers does not mean they don't exist and demonstrates nothing but your own insecurity and inability to engage with anything you don't like.
Also still running away from providing specifics of your supposed fulfilled prophecy...
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
Bingo. You are a fulfilling machine.
Lots of them. As have other people. Ignoring the answers does not mean they don't exist and demonstrates nothing but your own insecurity and inability to engage with anything you don't like.
Also still running away from providing specifics of your supposed fulfilled prophecy...
Where did the universe come from?
If the explanation is the Bing Bang with or without inflation, what was there before that?