Another Whiney Butt Appointment Poll--Jeff Sessions

[esmith]

Really, we don't need to just get rid of the EC, we need a basic minimums standards guide established for our politicians. Make them pass math tests, science tests, ethics tests, make sure they are psychologically fit and healthy, make sure they are free of a criminal or otherwise questionable background. But, nope, that's too much "real change" for people.

If you want standards guide established for our politicians how about for the voter.
1. Provide photo ID for voting. ID will state citizenship status
2. Pass simple math test.
3. Be able to name and recognize the President and Vice President
4. Pass basic history test
5. Be able to speak and write English
6. Know who your Senators and Representatives are



I could go on but I think you might get what I am implying.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If you want standards guide established for our politicians how about for the voter.
1. Provide photo ID for voting. ID will state citizenship status
2. Pass simple math test.
3. Be able to name and recognize the President and Vice President
4. Pass basic history test
5. Be able to speak and write English
6. Know who your Senators and Representatives are



I could go on but I think you might get what I am implying.

I actually do favor such a test, which include such things (minus the English because America has no official language and has always been culturally multilingual) but also the ability to think critically and reasonably, and an ethics test. Sure, certain groups will be disproportionately effected, but there are certain areas where if you cannot discern the different between personal belief and responsible public policy you shouldn't be able to vote or run for office.

 

[esmith]

Yeah, you want a white supremacist government, but then we knew that already.

No I am an equal opportunity bigot.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If you want standards guide established for our politicians how about for the voter.
1. Provide photo ID for voting. ID will state citizenship status
2. Pass simple math test.
3. Be able to name and recognize the President and Vice President
4. Pass basic history test
5. Be able to speak and write English
6. Know who your Senators and Representatives are



I could go on but I think you might get what I am implying.

I actually do favor such a test, which include such things (minus the English because America has no official language and has always been culturally multilingual) but also the ability to think critically and reasonably, and an ethics test. Sure, certain groups will be disproportionately effected, but there are certain areas where if you cannot discern the different between personal belief and responsible public policy you shouldn't be able to vote or run for office.

 

[Revoltingest]

I wonder if I'm the only one who would criticize Sessions as AG for agenda reasons rather than mere name calling?

 

[crossfire]

I wonder if I'm the only one who would criticize Sessions as AG for agenda reasons rather than mere name calling?

I'd criticize him for his marijuana stance, as well.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'd criticize him for his marijuana stance, as well.

Woo hoo!
Aside from my normally wanting it legalized (with mixed feelings, btw),
this is a bad time to reverse increasing liberal (the good kind) federal
public policy because it would mean legal chaos in many states.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

If you want standards guide established for our politicians how about for the voter.
1. Provide photo ID for voting. ID will state citizenship status
2. Pass simple math test.
3. Be able to name and recognize the President and Vice President
4. Pass basic history test
5. Be able to speak and write English
6. Know who your Senators and Representatives are



I could go on but I think you might get what I am implying.

No, just no. We should be increasing the number of voters and turnout, not acting like it's Jim Crow all over again and denying large numbers of people their right to civic participation.

 

[Acim]

I voted other.

Kinda can't believe I'm the only one so far to do so.

My first thought was "yes, okay" but then took the question to be mostly about rationale of 'okay to protest him who is unsure of what is sexual assault.' And given the linked piece, sorry I ain't seeing that. It's just rehashing debate I feel we've already had and thus far haven't seen anyone convince me that what Trump said is sexual assault, nor if what he said played out, it would be sexual assault.

In a sense, okay to protest it, but in another sense it is protesting based (seemingly based, I'd say) on misinformation. Or akin to "okay to protest Elizabeth Warren who doesn't understand 5 times 4 is 20?" I'm serious, that's how nonsensical it appears to me, which is why I voted "other."

My apologies, but since this thread popped up first for me on "recent posts" and because I'm still the only vote for "other," I am compelled to update what I said. I thought I wrote the last paragraph differently than it appears now, but here's what I meant to say:

In a sense, okay to protest it, but in another sense it is protesting based (seemingly based, I'd say) on misinformation. Or akin to "okay to protest Elizabeth Warren who doesn't understand 5 times 4 is 37?" I'm serious, that's how nonsensical it appears to me, which is why I voted "other."

 

[MD]

If you want standards guide established for our politicians how about for the voter.
1. Provide photo ID for voting. ID will state citizenship status
2. Pass simple math test.
3. Be able to name and recognize the President and Vice President
4. Pass basic history test
5. Be able to speak and write English
6. Know who your Senators and Representatives are



I could go on but I think you might get what I am implying.

I agree with this.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No, just no. We should be increasing the number of voters and turnout, not acting like it's Jim Crow all over again and denying large numbers of people their right to civic participation.

The issue is the very real reality of people being able to vote other people's rights away with impunity. If people are going to vote on someone who will be deciding foreign policy, they should, at the bare minimum, be able to fill in a good chunk of a global map and have a decent understanding of the issues that will be implicated with their vote. Realistically, the average voter does not vote for what is best, but based on irrational feelings and ill-thought positions. Those people should not be deciding my fate. If people are upset, oh well. They should have thought of that before electing a governor who actively campaigns against minority rights.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The issue is the very real reality of people being able to vote other people's rights away with impunity. If people are going to vote on someone who will be deciding foreign policy, they should, at the bare minimum, be able to fill in a good chunk of a global map and have a decent understanding of the issues that will be implicated with their vote. Realistically, the average voter does not vote for what is best, but based on irrational feelings and ill-thought positions. Those people should not be deciding my fate. If people are upset, oh well. They should have thought of that before electing a governor who actively campaigns against minority rights.

I probably couldn't fill out a good chunk of a world map, either. So I guess I shouldn't be allowed to vote. I'm also horrible at math. Basically you're being hypocritical by discriminating against others who you fear may discriminate against you, even though you'd actually end up discriminating against the poor, handicapped and those who lack certain education.

 

[Revoltingest]

The issue is the very real reality of people being able to vote other people's rights away with impunity. If people are going to vote on someone who will be deciding foreign policy, they should, at the bare minimum, be able to fill in a good chunk of a global map and have a decent understanding of the issues that will be implicated with their vote. Realistically, the average voter does not vote for what is best, but based on irrational feelings and ill-thought positions. Those people should not be deciding my fate. If people are upset, oh well. They should have thought of that before electing a governor who actively campaigns against minority rights.

Let's abandon voter qualification criteria.
It's a great idea, except for its being terrible & unworkable.....
- Unconstitutional
- Massive unrest because millions would be denied the right to vote
- Endless vicious arguments about the criteria
- Unconstitutional

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Basically you're being hypocritical by discriminating against others who you fear may discriminate against you, even though you'd actually end up discriminating against the poor, handicapped and those who lack certain education.

I am not being hypocritical. I am stating that those who do not grasp the issues, those who cannot logically reason, and those who want the state to spare their feelings rather than administering just and fair legislation should not be allowed to vote. You have to break some egg shells to make an omelet, and the progress of society as a whole should not be restrained by the mediocrity and stupidity of the masses. Such as, very literally, we are having our next major medical breakthroughs being balked and hindered by religious concerns that a few cells that have no bearing or reason to call them a person are being labeled as people whose rights and liberties are being violated (yet, they desire in hardly anyways to protect the rights of anyone who is actually living and breathing, save for religious bigots). Never mind the fact that people who are developed, formed, conscious, living, and breathing are suffering from terrible maladies that are likely curable via stem cell research, and the logical and moral inconsistencies of trying to treasure one "life" form while telling the sentient life to suffer.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I am not being hypocritical. I am stating that those who do not grasp the issues, those who cannot logically reason, and those who want the state to spare their feelings rather than administering just and fair legislation should not be allowed to vote. You have to break some egg shells to make an omelet, and the progress of society as a whole should not be restrained by the mediocrity and stupidity of the masses. Such as, very literally, we are having our next major medical breakthroughs being balked and hindered by religious concerns that a few cells that have no bearing or reason to call them a person are being labeled as people whose rights and liberties are being violated (yet, they desire in hardly anyways to protect the rights of anyone who is actually living and breathing, save for religious bigots). Never mind the fact that people who are developed, formed, conscious, living, and breathing are suffering from terrible maladies that are likely curable via stem cell research, and the logical and moral inconsistencies of trying to treasure one "life" form while telling the sentient life to suffer.

That's a failure of the educational system. Fix that, and don't mess with suffrage.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Let's abandon voter qualification criteria.
It's a great idea, except for its being terrible & unworkable.....
- Unconstitutional
- Massive unrest because millions would be denied the right to vote
- Endless vicious arguments about the criteria
- Unconstitutional

Waaa? I very basic reality of the state is that some rights must be sacrificed to preserve and maintain others. Our "democratic elections" are being governed by fear, misinformation, and media that exists to drive divides to make money. We don't let those without a background in medicine perform surgery, and no one should ever let someone who has no background or understanding of electricity wire their home. When it comes to the direction the state takes, we need equal expectations of knowledge and understanding to prevent baseless assumptions, illogical fears, religious dogma, and other negativities from guiding policy.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's a failure of the educational system. Fix that, and don't mess with suffrage.

Education is a separate issue. You can educate someone, but they still may believe the Earth is 6,000 years old. If you want that taught in public schools as science fact, you shouldn't be able to vote because of a fundamental failure to recognize why religious beliefs and public policy must remain separate, especially when it comes to an education where religion must be confined to it's proper places, and science and history are not those places. This isn't something people should be able to vote on.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Education is a separate issue. You can educate someone, but they still may believe the Earth is 6,000 years old. If you want that taught in public schools as science fact, you shouldn't be able to vote because of a fundamental failure to recognize why religious beliefs and public policy must remain separate, especially when it comes to an education where religion must be confined to it's proper places, and science and history are not those places. This isn't something people should be able to vote on.

No, people believe that sort of nonsense due to indoctrination. One problem, imo, is that we give parents too much power to have any sort of bs drilled into their children's heads, like with fundie Christian homeschooling. It screws them up for life, many times. Something needs to be done about that.

 

[crossfire]

I wonder if I'm the only one who would criticize Sessions as AG for agenda reasons rather than mere name calling?

His stances on Civil Rights totally suck, as well:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Jeff_Sessions_Civil_Rights.htm

 

[Revoltingest]

Waaa? I very basic reality of the state is that some rights must be sacrificed to preserve and maintain others. Our "democratic elections" are being governed by fear, misinformation, and media that exists to drive divides to make money. We don't let those without a background in medicine perform surgery, and no one should ever let someone who has no background or understanding of electricity wire their home. When it comes to the direction the state takes, we need equal expectations of knowledge and understanding to prevent baseless assumptions, illogical fears, religious dogma, and other negativities from guiding policy.

Good luck getting this legislation thru.