Another Whiney Butt Appointment Poll--Jeff Sessions

[Revoltingest]

His stances on Civil Rights totally suck, as well:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Jeff_Sessions_Civil_Rights.htm

Aye, his history is cringeworthy.

I know that I'm over-using that word today, but dang it....we're discussing so many things which truly are!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No, people believe that sort of nonsense due to indoctrination. One problem, imo, is that we give parents too much power to have any sort of bs drilled into their children's heads, like with fundie Christian homeschooling. It screws them up for life, many times. Something needs to be done about that.

True, but that's still a separate issue than what is being discussed.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Good luck getting this legislation thru.

I also see communal ownership of production and distribution an ideal to strive for, albeit it's a long uphill battle that will continue long after my life.

 

[Revoltingest]

I also see communal ownership of production and distribution an ideal to strive for, albeit it's a long uphill battle that will continue long after my life.

Uphill & bloody if they actually try to take property.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Uphill & bloody if they actually try to take property.

"Property" is another concept I do believe we could do without, and would be much better off without.

 

[Revoltingest]

"Property" is another concept I do believe we could do without, and would be much better off without.

I & a lot of gun tote'n other people really like our property.
Those who envy it should try earning their own the old fashioned way.

 

[Augustus]

When it comes to the direction the state takes, we need equal expectations of knowledge and understanding to prevent baseless assumptions, illogical fears, religious dogma, and other negativities from guiding policy.

Probably need to limit voting to non-humans then. Our brains didn't evolve to be rational and 'academic' intelligence doesn't correlate much with good political decision making anyway.

It's just as easy to make bad decisions on the basis of 'knowledge' than it is based on lack of knowledge.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I & a lot of gun tote'n other people really like our property.
Those who envy it should try earning their own the old fashioned way.

Or we just get over this petty notion of "mine," have the things we need, and share the Earth and our prosperity in common.

 

[Revoltingest]

Or we just get over this petty notion of "mine," have the things we need, and share the Earth and our prosperity in common.

Won't happen.
People really like having things.
Those who want them the easy way will be continually disappointed.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Probably need to limit voting to non-humans then.

If we could program an AI to adequately measure what is most ethical to preserve life, liberties, and rights, that would probably be best.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Won't happen.
People really like having things.
Those who want them the easy way will be continually disappointed.

You're reading much into my position. Under Communism, there is an obligation to work. You work, you contribute, you receive. You still aren't getting anything for free, or necessarily easy. You still have to work for it, you aren't getting anything handed to you. And you still have the things you need, your house, your tools, your things. But everyone owns the land, the food, the water, the other natural resources, the equipment used to gather and provide them, and prosperity is shared. "There is nothing in life for free," and Communists do not deny this.

 

[Revoltingest]

You're reading much into my position. Under Communism, there is an obligation to work. You work, you contribute, you receive. You still aren't getting anything for free, or necessarily easy. You still have to work for it, you aren't getting anything handed to you. And you still have the things you need, your house, your tools, your things. But everyone owns the land, the food, the water, the other natural resources, the equipment used to gather and provide them, and prosperity is shared. "There is nothing in life for free," and Communists do not deny this.

The commies have to take it from us first.
Resistance is not futile!

Apocryphal quote from an eastern Europistanian asked about oppression under capitalism....
"It's better than being oppressed by communism."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Apocryphal quote from an eastern Europistanian asked about oppression under capitalism....
"It's better than being oppressed by communism."

When you turn it into a centralized State with total control over nearly all facets of life, yeah, that would be worse. With rights and liberties, there is no reason for Communism to be inherently more oppressive and authoritarian. Even many Libertarians agree the government should enforce ownership, but we need a different view and mentality in regards to "ownership." The government shouldn't be telling private firms it "owns" the water of a community, it should be enforcing the community's claim over the water. Really, we don't even need to get rid of vain luxuries. And we wouldn't need to if everyone owns everything and no one is telling us to buy and consume more, especially once more people are reaching their potential because their lives aren't squandered living as a cog. Do away with material wants, do away with money, do away with class, do away with divisions that cause problems.

 

[Revoltingest]

When you turn it into a centralized State with total control over nearly all facets of life, yeah, that would be worse. With rights and liberties, there is no reason for Communism to be inherently more oppressive and authoritarian. Even many Libertarians agree the government should enforce ownership, but we need a different view and mentality in regards to "ownership." The government shouldn't be telling private firms it "owns" the water of a community, it should be enforcing the community's claim over the water. Really, we don't even need to get rid of vain luxuries. And we wouldn't need to if everyone owns everything and no one is telling us to buy and consume more, especially once more people are reaching their potential because their lives aren't squandered living as a cog. Do away with material wants, do away with money, do away with class, do away with divisions that cause problems.

We needn't obey exhortations to buy more.
What private company owns a community's water?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

We needn't obey exhortations to buy more.

You are a fool if you believe this. There is a reason companies like McDonald's pump millions and even billions into advertising and marketing research. They sell unrealistic ideals of beauty, creating the Western culture-bound eating disorders of Anorexia Nervosa and Bulimia. Sex sells. Action sells. Get a celebrity, and people will pay several times its value. They may not effect you in such ways (and they certainly don't effect me). Let's be realistic, damn near everything McDonald's serves is either disgusting or a flavorless-lifeless-soulless slab of grease. It's unhealthy, and anyone who can cook can make more flavor full and tasty food than McDonald's. But they out advertise everyone, put a ton of time and money into their looks, their image, and the methods they use to draw people in, and they dominate the fast food industry. Not because of the quality of product customers get (as McDonald's is the very antithesis of quality food), but because people do obey those exhortations to buy, consume, get new, keep up with the Jones, stay current, be cool. Even regulations in regards to tobacco advertising have been observed changing consumer buying habits.

 

[Revoltingest]

You are a fool if you believe this.

Then color me....

Buy stuff cuz someone tells me to?
Revoltie don't play that!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The commies have to take it from us first.
Resistance is not futile!

That's the thing. If done right, we won't have to take anything. Society will be conditioned to live in a modern post-industrial world, and if society goes in a good direction and we wield technology as it should, we will achieve a post-job, post-scarcity, and post-poverty society. It may take a war or a plague, but we have the technology now that there is no reason for us to have such dire poverty, dire excess, and dire waste.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Then color me....

Buy stuff cuz someone tells me to?
Revoltie don't play that!

If you want to ignore research, science, and data with results that top companies from Microsoft to Nike and Budweiser and Toyota. They do these things because they know they work. It doesn't always work as effectively as they hope, but Buick did get the average age of those buying their cars to go slightly down when Tiger Woods was doing their commercials, which is what they wanted to happen, even if they wanted to drop even lower than it did.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's the thing. If done right, we won't have to take anything. Society will be conditioned to live in a modern post-industrial world, and if society goes in a good direction and we wield technology as it should, we will achieve a post-job, post-scarcity, and post-poverty society. It may take a war or a plague, but we have the technology now that there is no reason for us to have such dire poverty, dire excess, and dire waste.

There's no country where such "conditioning" has ever happened without big black boots on many necks.

 

[Revoltingest]

If you want to ignore research, science, and data with results that top companies from Microsoft to Nike and Budweiser and Toyota. They do these things because they know they work. It doesn't always work as effectively as they hope, but Buick did get the average age of those buying their cars to go slightly down when Tiger Woods was doing their commercials, which is what they wanted to happen, even if they wanted to drop even lower than it did.

Research smeersearch.....no one forces me to buy anything....except Obamcare health insurance.