Anti-gay baker now takes stand against birthdays for trans people

[BSM1]

So if it doesn't work, your glib "let the free market handle it" isn't actually much of a solution, is it?

Actually the free market did handle it. You don't find the wholesale discrimination in the public sector that was once the norm (I know, I know, the government and the National Guard thankfully stepped in to help do away with this nonsense). Perfect example, ten years ago you would hardly see a sign saying "Se Habla Espaniol" on any storefront. Now it's almost mandatory to attract the consumer who does not or will not speak English.

 

[Mister Emu]

I did look it up.

"to mark or perceive the distinguishing or peculiar features of"
"to distinguish by discerning or exposing differences : to recognize or identify as separate and distinct"
"to make a distinction"
Definition of DISCRIMINATE

So what part of what I said is a "gross misuse" of the word? That you want the word to only mean improper and/or illegal discrimination doesn't make it so.

I wonder if the baker would bake a cake for Donald Trump.

The bible says people should not commit adultery.

I doubt he'd make an adultery celebration cake, but you can ask him and find out.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I doubt he'd make an adultery celebration cake, but you can ask him and find out.

No need to ask him; he’s already said:

Jack Phillips creates a masterpiece. Custom designs are his specialty: If you can think it up, Jack can make it into a cake!

MASTERPIECE CAKESHOP | great cakes since 1993 | 303.763.5754

... though his court filing suggests that his web site was less than honest.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not even relative to the discussion. Didn't work in Medieval England either. So what?

Kind of defeats your idea of someone opening an "all are welcome" business. That just wasn't happening and the government had to step in and make laws that prohibit discrimination during the Jim Crow era. And today, once again, we find Conservative Christians harping on about how they are too good to serve the public in general when they voluntarily chose to serve the public in general.

 

[dianaiad]

Which is great if there are comparable services available and accessible. But what happens when every shop has a "no gays allowed" sign?

Then they can come to me and I'll bake the cake for 'em. My daughter, who has a BFA in photography and 'does' weddings, will shoot the wedding. It wouldn't be the first time for either of us.

Honestly...in today's society, can you imagine that there would be 'no comparable services?"

Do you have any idea just how many bakeries and/or wedding photographers who actively market to gay couples? Shoot, I can give you the names of six or seven of them within a half-day's drive from where I live.

...............and at least two of those do not provide services to 'straight' couples, preferring to concentrate only on the same sex/transgendered community. They specialize, and they are very busy.

And if the rest of us refuse to patronize stores/services that are that openly bigoted, they'll either change their attitudes or go out of business.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Actually the free market did handle it. You don't find the wholesale discrimination in the public sector that was once the norm (I know, I know, the government and the National Guard thankfully stepped in to help do away with this nonsense). Perfect example, ten years ago you would hardly see a sign saying "Se Habla Espaniol" on any storefront. Now it's almost mandatory to attract the consumer who does not or will not speak English.

If the government and National Guard had to step in, how did the free market handle it? Black people weren't allowed during Jim Crow, any and all of Asian descent were not allowed during WWII, and the free market did not fix or address these issues. How did the free market address the pizza joint in Indiana that said it would discriminate against LBGT? The owners got at least a quarter-million dollars in donations.

 

[columbus]

I doubt he'd make an adultery celebration cake, but you can ask him and find out.

I would bet you $5 dollars that he would make a wedding cake for a heterosexual couple where one or both parties are divorced.

That's adultery, according to Jesus.

Yeah, I bet he will make an adultery cake.
Tom

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Honestly...in today's society, can you imagine that there would be 'no comparable services?"

When you live here, it's a daily reality that there could be nothing comparable:
Google Maps

 

[Mister Emu]

... though his court filing suggests that his web site was less than honest.

Does "can" equate to "will"?

I would bet you $5 dollars that he would make a wedding cake for a heterosexual couple where one or both parties are divorced.

That's adultery, according to Jesus.

Even Jesus had an "except" in there. But, yeah, I'm catholic and I am very much against divorce and remarriage. Most protestants are not, in so far as my knowledge of them goes, however, and I don't know where Mr. Phillips falls on that.

Yeah, I bet he will make an adultery cake.

Alright, so call him up and make sure you specify that it's an adulterous marriage, can't leave anything to doubt. Maybe even ask for little figures of a previous spouse with kids around begging them not to go while being disdainfully ignored.

 

[ecco]

So what part of what I said is a "gross misuse" of the word? That you want the word to only mean improper and/or illegal discrimination doesn't make it so.

The topic of this thread is discrimination.

You tried this little bit of flim-flam...

You discriminate with who you will spend your time around, who is a potential romantic partner, if you hire you discriminate in choosing who is acceptable for work, businesses are discriminant in who they allow as patrons.

We discriminate in nearly all aspects of our life.

To which I responded...

Now you are erroneously conflating the meanings of similar words in a futile attempt to further your argument.

I didn't bother posting the two words your were trying to conflate, however...

dis·crim·i·na·tion
dəˌskriməˈnāSH(ə)n/
noun

1. 1.
   the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

dis·crim·i·nate
dəˈskriməˌnāt/
verb

1. 1.
   recognize a distinction; differentiate.

You were clearly trying to conflate discrimination and discriminate.

ETA: I see that others have also noticed this.

 

[Mister Emu]

You were clearly trying to conflate discrimination and discriminate.

Discrimination is a noun formed of discriminate by using the suffix -tion. The one is inherently tied to the other. I apologize for not recognizing the need for basic English language information.

Discrimination:
the act of making or perceiving a difference : the act of discriminating

That makes sense because

Suffix
-tion
Used to form nouns meaning "the action of (a verb)" or "the result of (a verb)"
-tion - Wiktionary

 

[columbus]

Alright, so call him up and make sure you specify that it's an adulterous marriage, can't leave anything to doubt.

Why would I bother?
Mr Phillips is doing a good job of making Christianity look meaningless, venal, and selfcentered.
I have no reason to interfere with that.
Tom

 

[Mister Emu]

Why would I bother?

Well, I didn't actually expect you to put in any effort towards backing up your vacuous spurious accusation. But, I give everyone a chance.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well, I didn't actually expect you to put in any effort towards backing up your vacuous spurious accusation. But, I give everyone a chance.

If you mentioned that it's a wedding cake for two people who are both starting their second marriage, I doubt he objects.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

RF should do a little experiment and call the guy up - Control group says nothing about who the wedding cake is for unless asked, the experiment group does bring it up.

 

[columbus]

Well, I didn't actually expect you to put in any effort towards backing up your vacuous spurious accusation. But, I give everyone a chance.

I love in Indiana. Have done my whole life, and I am close to 60.
I know Christians well enough, thank you. Unless Mr Phillips gives me a reason to think that he is different from, say Mike Pence, I don't have any reason to think he is.
Tom

 

[ecco]

...

Discrimination is ...

dis·crim·i·na·tion
dəˌskriməˈnāSH(ə)n/
noun

1. 1.
   the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

dis·crim·i·nate
dəˈskriməˌnāt/
verb

1. 1.
   recognize a distinction; differentiate.

I apologize for not recognizing the need for basic English language information.

Uh huh

 

[Mister Emu]

Uh huh

Well, you are displaying ignorance, willful or otherwise, of English word structure.

Discrimination:
the act of making or perceiving a difference : the act of discriminating

Suffix
-tion
Used to form nouns meaning "the action of (a verb)" or "the result of (a verb)"

 

[Subduction Zone]

How is this sort of discrimination against gays any different from the same sort of discrimination against those of other races?

 

[ecco]

Well, you are displaying ignorance, willful or otherwise, of English word structure.

Discrimination:
the act of making or perceiving a difference : the act of discriminating

Suffix
-tion
Used to form nouns meaning "the action of (a verb)" or "the result of (a verb)"

Uh huh