1) They aren't rare. What's rare is that they're challenged.
2) The fact that there's already one cake shop in an area is often an obstacle to other cake shops coming into the market.
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Anti-gay baker now takes stand against birthdays for trans people
- Thread starter 9-10ths_Penguin
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2) The fact that there's already one cake shop in an area is often an obstacle to other cake shops coming into the market.
Ellen Brown
Well-Known Member
Why did she have to reveal her being trans?
People mostly get it wrong about trans folk. Most post operative trans folk have almost no desire, hence are not sexually active. Many T folk live the lives of hermits. Refusal to make a Birthday cake is petty, IMHO.
stvdv
Veteran Member
The best thing to do is get two trans-people who are marrying. I saw youtube yesterday: man became woman, woman became man and getting married
Let him bake this cake, and tell him the specifics and see his reaction. I am curious which discrimination trick he will pull now.
[Oh I see now, that was last year "same-sex wedding" refuse. Now he just plainly discriminates "trans" woman. And calling himself Christian ... unbelievable]
He is one of the many Christians who forget about Jesus saying "do not judge" .... "who is without sin, throw the first stone"
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BSM1
What? Me worry?
Here's the problem you often find with people who have an agenda; they tend to manipulate facts to fit their narrative. The baker did not refuse service to the woman (as he did not refuse service to the gay couple) they were welcomed to purchase anything already on display in the store. What the cake artist refused to do was design and create a product that offended his sensibilities. The rightness or wrongness of the situation is in the eye of the beholder, but get the facts straight. If, IMHO, you could force an artist to make whatever you desired than I would expect a pediophile to be able to order a cake celebrating little ten year old Jimmy's deflowering...just sayin'.
stvdv
Veteran Member
I see your point "Freedom of speech and religion, so freedom to choose which customers specific wishes to fulfill"
But your example is not correct. When imposing physical/emotional violence is involved it's different.
Same sex people marry out of love, not hurting the other
It's not so nice nor correct to compare them with a Pedophile
Cacotopia
Let's go full Trottle
I as an artist have refused to do some work that people wanted depicting things I don't agree with. But my would be patron was not offended.
Someone wanted a painting of Jesus, eh, no thanks. I don't want to do that,
it was cool they moved on.
Cacotopia
Let's go full Trottle
I think it was a poor choice of example of compelled service, not equating trans people to pedos. I made a similar example a page or so back about people reserving the right to refuse say "Happy B-Day Hitler" cake. No one made a fuss over it yet...
No I don't think trans people are any way like Hitler. Just for clarification.
stvdv
Veteran Member
I don't even "WANT" a cake from a "judgmental Christian", however nicely decorated. His mentally "voodoo like judgments" I don't want to eat or give to others.
stvdv
Veteran Member
One thing I do not understand. We have freedom of speech, freedom of religion. BUT we don't have freedom to say NO to specific demands others impose on us.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
<SIGH>
Don't you understand? The cake was supposed to be Pink and Blue. Pink is for Girls. Blue is for Boys.
The next thing you know some mixed race couple might want a cake that is white and yellow. Black and brown. Or God forbid al the color s of the rainbow!
Not only would that be an undue burden upon bakers, it would make posts take forever to write.
allfoak
Alchemist
Correct me if I'm wrong but most everywhere in the Bible it says to love one another.
To love your neighbor as yourself.
He must be using some other book perhaps?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Probably because they were not satisfied with the lawsuit that was lost due to the bigotry of the Colorado council. They lost not because of the law, but because how the law was applied and this baker was foolish enough to fall for the trap. This time no anti-Christian rhetoric was used in their fine and they hope it will pass muster when it gets to the Supreme Court.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Your statement about people not hurting others is completely irrelevant to the post; and I was just trying to dramatically make a point without intending to imply any correlation to any other sector of or society. It worked, I see.
What is your take on the relative merits of revealing and hiding one's transgenderism?
Yes, you do. Nobody is forced to run a cake shop. This guy always has the freedom to find some other line of work and then nobody will bother him about baking a cake he disapproves of ever again.One thing I do not understand. We have freedom of speech, freedom of religion. BUT we don't have freedom to say NO to specific demands others impose on us.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Does it matter? Do you feel compelled to discuss any and every facet of your belief just because someone demands it?