Ants and leaves - the Gift

[Jayhawker Soule]

Man is the final destination but species branch off from it as they evolve and get stuck in their place until they die - then they get another chance.

I'm not saying man is the best but why don't we have any Avatar like creatures running around, or big green men with 7 heads and arms?

If there is no Force, how do you explain the total absence of 7-headed hominids? Clearly an insightful argument. :yes:

 

[camanintx]

Ant to man is the goal , it's unlikely to witness a man turning into an ant though.

The only "goal" of evolution is survival. While man has been quite successful at it over the last few centuries, there is no reason to believe anything favors us over other organisms.

 

[Noaidi]

Man is the final destination but species branch off from it as they evolve and get stuck in their place until they die - then they get another chance.

nnmartin, can I ask what your views and thoughts are based on? What do you use as evidence for your views?
The reason I ask is because your grasp of biology is woeful. No shame in that, but it becomes an issue here when you parade that ignorance.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

nnmartin, can I ask what your views and thoughts are based on? What do you use as evidence for your views?
The reason I ask is because your grasp of biology is woeful. No shame in that, but it becomes an issue here when you parade that ignorance.

Dunning

 

[Noaidi]

Dunning

Thanks. I didn't realise it was a condition worthy of an official name!

 

[not nom]

it's pretty much the basis of modern society

 

[Noaidi]

it's pretty much the basis of modern society

Yep!

 

[Big_TJ]

So you're an ant then?

Ouch!

 

[A. T. Henderson]

Most land based animals with blood do look like us.

they mainly have four limbs, head and body - that's quite similar really.

Not really, unless you're really, really stretching the definition of "similar". I presume by "animals with blood" you actually meant "mammals". The reason mammals all have a roughly similar body plan is because we all descend from the same common ancestor. The way that the basic arrangement of four limbs, torso and head is actually applied is incredibly diverse, and it's ludicrous to say that any non-primate species really resembles a human in any significant way.

Incidentally, most land-based animals with blood are insects. They have six legs, a head, a thorax and an abdomen. Oh, and antennae. And usually wings. So not very similar at all.

I don't know of too many animals that look like giant slugs with 17 odd shaped irregular pieces sticking out.

You are again, presumably, not including the entire insect and arthropod kingdom in your definition of "animals". Not to mention starfish, octopoids, or indeed anything that isn't a mammal.

Man is the final destination but species branch off from it as they evolve and get stuck in their place until they die - then they get another chance.

Wrong. Just straight up, fundamentally wrong. There is no destination in evolution, and homo sapiens isn't even an ideal one if there were.

And what on Earth are you talking about with this "then they get another chance" thing? Are you suggesting some kind of pan-species post-extinction reincarnation?

I'm not saying man is the best but why don't we have any Avatar like creatures running around, or big green men with 7 heads and arms?

We don't have them, because they didn't evolve. They didn't evolve because, regardless of what people like you may think, evolution doesn't work on the basis of what "seems like a good idea". Evolution works on the basis of what works. What benefit would 7 heads be to an organism?

 

[nnmartin]

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Incidentally, most land-based animals with blood are insects. They have six legs, a head, a thorax and an abdomen. Oh, and antennae. And usually wings. So not very similar at all.

The fact that they have a head, abdomen and legs denotes similarity.

And what on Earth are you talking about with this "then they get another chance" thing? Are you suggesting some kind of pan-species post-extinction reincarnation?

Yes.

When organisms die their life force goes back into the cosmic pool to await regeneration.

Evolution works on the basis of what works. What benefit would 7 heads be to an organism?

Well they would be quite clever for a start - 7 brains could come in handy!

Think of the multi-tasking abilities.

 

[A. T. Henderson]

The fact that they have a head, abdomen and legs denotes similarity.

Except that they don't: they have a head, a thorax to which their legs are attached, and an abdomen. In order to be similar, you'd have to have your legs attached to your chest, and most of your vital organs stored in your arse. not to mention having at least two more legs, wings, antennae etc, etc, etc.

You're not going to make your case by simply ignoring the facts other people bring up. Though I do recognise that your case is itself based on ignoring as many facts as possible.

When organisms die their life force goes back into the cosmic pool to await regeneration.

Okay. I just wanted to check how ridiculous your claims were going to be. Far more so than I expected, as it transpires.

Well they would be quite clever for a start - 7 brains could come in handy!

Think of the multi-tasking abilities.

Think of the impossibility of coordinating a body with seven independent brains. You couldn't get it to walk in a straight line. If you don't believe me, try getting four friends together and playing QWOP with each of you operating one key.

 

[nnmartin]

Having a cosmic pool of regeneration is no more ridiculous than believing that after death there is an eternity of nothingness (The Religion of Atheism) or that you go to Heaven or Hell as dictated by Jesus.

Can you prove there is no after-life or Force?

 

[Heathen Hammer]

Atheism isn't a religion.

 

[Noaidi]

nnmartin, can I ask what your views and thoughts are based on? What do you use as evidence for your views?
The reason I ask is because your grasp of biology is woeful. No shame in that, but it becomes an issue here when you parade that ignorance.

Any answers to my question, nnmartin?

 

[nnmartin]

Views and thoughts on what exactly?

I accept Evolution to occur though maintain their are other forces at work other than the standard natural selection, adaptation, mutation and variation scenarios. There is a guider involved.

The biological aspect I understand.

Abiogenesis occuring through chance or by following a pattern is a no for me.

 

[Noaidi]

I accept Evolution to occur though maintain their are other forces at work other than the standard natural selection, adaptation, mutation and variation scenarios. There is a guider involved.

Do you have evidence for the highlighted parts? If so, can you tell us where we can obtain it so we can evaluate it for ourselves?

 

[A. T. Henderson]

Having a cosmic pool of regeneration is no more ridiculous than believing that after death there is an eternity of nothingness (The Religion of Atheism) or that you go to Heaven or Hell as dictated by Jesus.

Actually, it is. A lot more. It's more ridiculous because it has absolutely no basis whatsoever.

Can you prove there is no after-life or Force?

Can you prove that there is? I can show pretty conclusively that there's no evidence whatsoever to suggest either of those things like so: I see no evidence of any such thing.

It's up to you to provide incontrovertible evidence to show me that that they exist. burden of proof is on the positive claimant.

 

[A. T. Henderson]

Oh, and I can't help but notice that you didn't attempt to defend your earlier absurdities. Given up on them in favour of this new tosh?

 

[A. T. Henderson]

The biological aspect I understand.

Untrue.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Having a cosmic pool of regeneration is no more ridiculous than believing that after death there is an eternity of nothingness