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I was raised as a JW so I don't have any questions and I never actually became a member cuz my family just wasn't that into it. I knew a JW when I was in the Navy and he was the best chess player I ever encountered, I was only able to beat him once and that was the last time we played cuz I wanted to end it on a high note.
JWs and Mormons are, I understand, the same followers of sinful Paul and sinful Pauline-Church away from the teaching of innocent Jesus s/o Mary and Jesus s/o Mary was never a Christian, please. Will one tell us what was bad with JW's and what is good with Latter Day Saints, please?
Your question went right over my head.
One has been, I understand, in two denominations ( out of said to be 32000+) of the sinful Paul's sinful Pauline-Christendom so one could share with us one's experience of JWs and the Latter Day Saints, in their teachings and deeds, if one likes to, please. Right friend, please?
So?
I am still not getting a clear picture of what you are asking.
1. He was in the Navy also, and he practiced his religion, he became JW after he joined the Navy.
Ah, now it makes sense. He would not have stayed long in the service then I imagine. Our beliefs are not compatible with the military or bloodshed.
I see, so they never were JW’s and I am guessing that your statement that you were “raised as a JW” was more an association than a commitment?
I’m sorry, no offence was intended.....that is not what I meant.
I find that a BT does Not have to be the only cure - please note at the end of www.jw.org ' Medical Information for Clinicians '.
Aren't LDS and JWs both within the Pauline-Christendom?
No. Speaking for JW's we are not associated with Christendom at all. We do accept Paul as an apostle and we do accept his writings because they are part of our scripture. Your description of Paul is as insulting as if we called your prophet Muhammad "sinful".
" No. Speaking for JW's we are not associated with Christendom at all."
Hmmmm...interesting reply. But like so many others, it’s what you don’t address that is telling to me.
No matter, I'll address what you did say....
You mean "really smart" like Jesus? Do you think he used his ‘smarts’ to “pull fast ones over the less endowed”? If one sticks to the teachings of the Christ without leaving out the inconvenient aspects of his principles and commands, how can we go wrong? You might be thanking God for the wrong things. Scholars can give us the results of their studies and nowhere is that more important than in translation.
The KJV was written when archaic English was the vernacular. It is no longer the vernacular and the whole idea of translation is so that ordinary people can understand what is written. No one needs to learn a whole other language in order to study the Bible nowadays.
Why would I do that when modern English translations are readily available? Do you think that the KJV is somehow the original Bible? If you want “original” then you must learn Hebrew and Koine Greek. I thank the scholars for giving us the benefit of their language studies. Strongs Concordance is the ‘go to’ for me.
In this day and age, the KJV is a joke...sorry.
Sounds like justification for sticking to something incredibly outdated to me....how are modern English translations somehow deficient in this aspect? We all have access to scholarly works to figure things out for ourselves .All we need to do is check with original language to see if the word has been correctly translated.
Like so many KJV ONLY proponents, any criticism of it is like insulting your mother.....Who created this misplaced loyalty? Who told you that the KJV is the best translation? The points I raised in my post to you outlined a serious translation error designed to promote the trinity. You ignored it.
Knowledge of the Greek highlights that error which would otherwise be overlooked by people such as yourself....but you have shown us that accuracy can be sacrificed when a doctrine needs promoting...right?
When John wrote that "no man has ever seen God" what does that mean to you?
“The wages sin pays is death”....that is exactly what the Bible says...but death is not another kind of life. The Bible teaches that death is the end of life. “Hell” (hades) is not a place where the dead “live” in order to suffer in flames for all eternity. What kind of loving God would do that?
God stated through his prophet Jeremiah that when the Israelites adopted the heinous practice of sacrificing their children in the fire to Molech, he said...
Jeremiah 7:30-31...
“For the sons of Judah have done what is bad in my eyes,’ is the utterance of Jehovah. ‘They have set their disgusting things in the house upon which my name has been called, in order to defile it. 31 And they have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart.’“
How could God condemn such actions and then do the same to his own children?
According to scripture, death ends life. (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10) There is no conscious, spiritual part of man that survives death. “Hell” (sheol/hades) is the grave...not a place where the wicked suffer, but a place where all the dead “sleep”, awaiting a resurrection....like Lazarus was when Jesus raised him from the dead. Where did Jesus say that Lazarus was? (John 11:11-14)
Jesus said that he will call ALL the dead from their graves.....he can do that because they are all still in them. (John 5:28-29) These ones are not called from the spirit realm, they are called back to their former life, but in a new world of righteousness. (2 Peter 3:13) The former troubles will be a thing of the past. (Revelation 21:2-4)
OK....so please let me see if I have this clear.....Jesus came to save sinners...correct? So “whatever sin they enjoy” is not a problem because Jesus saves them...? Does that mean you subscribe to the “once saved always saved” position that allows sin to continue because Jesus has already got the sinner covered?
This is important because it means that no repentance is required in order to obtain the forgiveness that Jesus’ death guarantees.
Is that what you mean?
Truth be told, Pilate found Jesus “not guilty”.....but it was the Jewish people under the influence of their corrupt leaders who did not see the truth standing right in front of them.....and it’s still happening because people are still the same as they have always been. That is why the Bible remains relevant for our time......human nature does not change. We will believe whatever we want to believe and the truth can be staring us in the face but if it’s not what we want to see, we will reject it....and God will not interfere with our free willed choices. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12)
I hear you.....but when we finally ditch the 'weeds' for what they are, we can make the mistake of jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.....everything you said there is true.....so the way to serve Christ is to imitate him and to follow his teachings every day of your life. (1 Peter 2:21) We have to love the truth enough to be the odd man out in a world alienated from the true God. (1 John 5:19) We have to use the moral compass that God gave us and use his word to distinguish what HE says is right from wrong. Now, if you think about it, this was man's undoing right at the beginning. He wanted to decide for himself what was good and what was evil...he still can't get it right.
This was said by the King of Israel whose nation were all dedicated to Jehovah in a religion called Judaism. You see, the God of Israel is a God of order.....he prescribed everything that Israel did in worship. Not a thing was left to any individual to decide. God made sure of that after the golden calf incident.
The Christians, as worshippers of the same God, were also gathered in groups, organized for their worship and also for their preaching activities. (Luke 10:1-6) God does not change.....he has 'cleansed' a people in this time of the end (Daniel 12:4, 9-10) and they are the ones hated by the world for doing exactly what Jesus commanded....preaching about his kingdom and making disciples whilst being "no part of the world". (Matthew 28:19-20; John 15:18-21)
That is not what the Bible shows though, is it? You apparently want what Jesus does not offer, and that is the freedom to decide for yourself what pleases God and what doesn't. No Jew and no Christian was ever offered that option. In the garden of Eden all God ever asked of his human creation was their obedience to his instructions.....its all he has ever asked of us, even now. We needed to learn how to drive free will and some of us have never quite grasped what that means.
Most people who identify as "Christians" want "truth, mercy and salvation".....but wanting them does not guarantee them if we can't do as we are told. Most are confused as to what qualifies a person to receive these things.....they are a free gift, but just "believing on the Lord Jesus" is not enough. Life from the very beginning was conditional upon man's obedience.
"You believe that there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder." (James 2:19) What does it mean to "believe" then?
This is not about defending anyone's ego...this is life or death in Christian understanding, so we have some serious choices to make because we believe that time is fast running out. If Jesus said that his return would be "just like the days of Noah"......well, here we are. (Matthew 24:37-39) Who is listening?
Because they think they're the only "true" game in town. Most denominations over the centuries outgrew that tendency, but not the JW's.
