any weapons on you?

[oldbadger]

First, I think you need to pause and take a few slow, deep breaths.

Yep..... I paused, took slow deep breaths..... relaxed, etc,

Then we did pit bulls and mastiffs...... they save lives.

And knives......... knives save lives.....

Just now I'm looking at hand-grenades. Hand=grenades, of course, can save lives. It's just a question of whether you are allowed to have 'em. If you are allowed to have 'em, how about grenade launchers? You could save whole football teams with them...... Yes..... I can see it.... now.

I'm feeling more positive about all this now. Don't worry about the fact that almost any villain or nutter can get a gun...... look at how guns distributed all over the community can protect against such folks. No.... it's all good.

 

[oldbadger]

I believe that there are some gun controls in the USA. Would I be right in saying that fully automatic fast-firing machine guns with belt or box ammunition would not be allowed? Now that needs addressing..... look, a criminal is hardly going to get out of a pick-up and walk towards a store (or house) with a mini-gun, trying to conceal it under a mack...... right?

But a law abiding citizen with a permit to keep one on private property could have one built on to the 1st floor balcony....... such a weapon could save lives. Imagine the you-tube vid of the homeowner coming onto the balcony in pyjamas, in response to the e-flex alarm activation, turning on the floodlights, stifling a yawn whilst picking out the intruders, activationg the 'you've got ten seconds' speakers and then doing doing the Arnold-S thing..... at 2am in the morning.....


Home installations of mini-guns would just soar. And when some gun-nut neigbour starts boasting about his/her armoury, you could just take 'em up to the balcony to see 'the life-saver'. Wow.

I'm thinking about surface to air missiles, but just now I can't think of a way in which these could save civilian lives........ but give me time!

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I own 2 tanks and a bazooka. Both used for hunting. I use my nuclear missile on spiders

 

[Revoltingest]

The anti-gun rights point of view seems to be that it's an all or nothing affair, ie, if one has any guns, then one has tanks & nukes.
Nuances & complexities of the real world are hard to convey to such folk. And teaching them about our Constitution is harder still.

 

[Poeticus]

The anti-gun rights point of view seems to be that it's an all or nothing affair, ie, if one has any guns, then one has tanks & nukes.
Nuances & complexities of the real world are hard to convey to such folk. And teaching them about our Constitution is harder still.

Wait a minute....

I thought that the "anti-gun crowd" isn't anti-gun, per se. But, anti-auto-rifles. I thought they have no problem with small handgun ownership and licensing.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

The anti-gun rights point of view seems to be that it's an all or nothing affair, ie, if one has any guns, then one has tanks & nukes.
Nuances & complexities of the real world are hard to convey to such folk. And teaching them about our Constitution is harder still.

Sorry to come off on the wrong foot. If you are talking about the post above.

It was merely a joke, although I do believe in the right to bear arms, depending on how high-grade it is and if the person buying the gun has any past felonies.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sorry to come off on the wrong foot. If you are talking about the post above.
It was merely a joke, although I do believe in the right to bear arms, depending on how high-grade it is and if the person buying the gun has any past felonies.

I was mirthfully taking both you & the badger to task.
(I know you guys were joking.)
But there are some who seriously take some rather extreme positions.

 

[Father Heathen]

Yep..... I paused, took slow deep breaths..... relaxed, etc,

Then we did pit bulls and mastiffs...... they save lives.

And knives......... knives save lives.....

Just now I'm looking at hand-grenades. Hand=grenades, of course, can save lives. It's just a question of whether you are allowed to have 'em. If you are allowed to have 'em, how about grenade launchers? You could save whole football teams with them...... Yes..... I can see it.... now.

I'm feeling more positive about all this now. Don't worry about the fact that almost any villain or nutter can get a gun...... look at how guns distributed all over the community can protect against such folks. No.... it's all good.

Do straw men, broad generalizations and ridiculous exaggerations save lives?

 

[Father Heathen]

Wait a minute....

I thought that the "anti-gun crowd" isn't anti-gun, per se. But, anti-auto-rifles. I thought they have no problem with small handgun ownership and licensing.

Generally the "anti-gun crowd" refers to those who want to abolish the 2nd amendment and ban all forms of firearms outright.

 

[Shermana]

My 5 pound Suburito-bokken can crack some serious skull.

 

[Sha'irullah]

I got 5 weapons on me and they are kept in 1 holster. Each one of these 5 weapons and along with the holster has a twin clone as well.

 

[Knight of Albion]

No weapons. I don't want to hurt anyone or anything....

"Let there be peace on earth - and let it begin with me."

 

[Riverwolf]

So if a gang has you cornered in a dark alley, you can subdue them with bits of trivia?

Knowledge is more of a preventative weapon: such as, it's probably a better idea to run out into the street with a risk of getting injured or killed than it is to run down the dark alley to get cornered and certainly injured or killed.

 

[Riverwolf]

My 5 pound Suburito-bokken can crack some serious skull.

Yeah: NEVER underestimate the potential of a wooden sword as a solid defensive weapon.

 

[Riverwolf]

No weapons. I don't want to hurt anyone or anything....

Neither do I. I'm arachnophobic, but I make an effort to just take the spiders outside and let them go; I don't kill them. If I don't have the guts at the moment to take it outside, I just leave it be and cower on a chair for a few hours. Since it can do no harm to me, there's no reason to defend myself from it.

"Let there be peace on earth - and let it begin with me."

It's a noble cause, but peace on earth between humans, who are naturally territorial and competitive, will never happen.

 

[oldbadger]

Do straw men, broad generalizations and ridiculous exaggerations save lives?

Well, put it this way........... straw men, broad generalisations and ridiculous exaggerations can save lives, if they can help people in denial to see a new point of view. They might help to show the absurdity of allowing anybody, absolutely anybody, to be in possession of a folding lock-knife in a public place. That condition, standing on its own...... is not good.

Now escalate it to pistols, and onwards.......

Because various weapons are so easily available in some countries, this causes people who would not otherwise need to carry a weapon..... to have to do so. Where I live it is possible for some villains to obtain guns, but we hear of less shooting-murders here than, for instance, many of your States.

Just over a decade ago we had a problem. Air pistols that used a cartridge or bullet composed of a compressed air cylinder and pellet holder could be purchased by anybody. Most of these were copies of well known revolvers. They could just reach 6 foot-lbs of power. (A very small .22 pistol which shoots short-rounds might manage about 40-50 foot-lbs power, so you can compare the differences in these guns.) Sadly, people started to machine 'inserts' which could fit into these revolvers' chambers, which took .22 long ammunition, and these air-pistols could become firearms. The cheap ones blew up and injured the shooter, but the German made guns did not, and all of a sudden these guns were appearing all over the place. Our Government produced legislation to remove all 'cartridge air guns' from circulation almost immediately, by legislation standards

The reason why I'm boring you with this is not to gain victory thru you being fast asleep............ it's because I want to explain to you that in your country people can carry pistols, handguns, that can develop ...not 50 ft-lbs of power, but 1000 ft-lbs of power. Now that is just strange, because whilst your world has moved into the 21st century, your laws have not.

Our old English common law is being outdated and removed all the time. I know this because even ten years ago I could use (and did use) several ancient common laws to hold various types of criminals until police could attend. Nowadays I can only think of one such ancient law that still exists. Times move on, and therefore, many people can't see why certain other countries cannot move forward as well. That's all it is.

I know that you do not have a gun, but stand up for your right to do so. I'm just suggesting that time can make old laws redundant.

 

[oldbadger]

I own 2 tanks and a bazooka. Both used for hunting..........

.....is there anything left to eat?

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, put it this way........... straw men, broad generalisations and ridiculous exaggerations can save lives, if they can help people in denial to see a new point of view. They might help to show the absurdity of allowing anybody, absolutely anybody, to be in possession of a folding lock-knife in a public place. That condition, standing on its own...... is not good.

Now, we all know that this continually trotted out absurdist scenario never changes anyone's mind.
We've all heard it gazillions of times before, rolled our eyes, & palmed our faces, & remain unmoved.
So why do anti-gun types do it? It's a fun...& its a bonding experience...like watching cheer leaders.
But with no bouncing boobies or booties.

 

[oldbadger]

The anti-gun rights point of view seems to be that it's an all or nothing affair, ie, if one has any guns, then one has tanks & nukes.

That's not what your President wanted, though. He wanted a more close control of guns..... isn't that true?
Anybody, absolutely anybody can own a shotgun in England, and anybody can join a rifle club and own a rifle. Those who shoot vermin for farmers can also own a rifle.
We are not 'all or nothing' here.

Nuances & complexities of the real world are hard to convey to such folk.

I haven't read an 'all or nothing' post on any RF gun thread. Shooting Legislation in the UK hurt me more than most, but I understood the need for it and moved with it.

The concept of adjusting 'Olden-days Laws and Rights' to modern day needs is 'common-sense' rather than 'complexity'.

And teaching them about our Constitution is harder still.

True. But your laws have changed massively since that Constitution was written. Massively. Hugely. People had the right to own slaves in some states when that was written.
It has been amended many times..... true?
By democracy it can be amended still...... true?

 

[oldbadger]

But with no bouncing boobies or booties.

I muist admit..... I might watch cricket more often, if only....