any weapons on you?

[oldbadger]

I have a very large and very heavy iron fry pan.

........ in your glove-compartment?

I've got......... nothing...... when I go out. But then, nobody is likely to want to sexually assault me, I don't wear a watch, nor have any money. All I have is my bus-pass, house-key and a pocket of change for charity shops or McD's...

 

[methylatedghosts]

Okay? Individuals weigh the risks and make the decisions for themselves. Also, there is a difference between Hobbiton (even at night) and Compton (even during the day).

Yes, I know. Like I said, I don't go to those places :

It's not a "sense of security" that earns the title of cupcake, it's a patronizing, pretentious attitude that earns the title of cupcake. I don't understand how that wasn't clear.
And again (perhaps you'll feel secure enough to address this), does wearing a seat belt while riding an automobile, or a wearing a helmet while riding a bicycle, or wearing safety glasses while doing construction/industrial work, etc. come from a place of fear? Perhaps the truth of the matter is that people are actually projecting their own fear toward objects that make loud, scary noises?

If I was riding a bike in the city, yes I'd wear a helmet because it's damn scary biking hear. Drivers just don't watch for bikes. In the Netherlands though, I haven't ever written a helmet, because I feel plenty safe there, considering the drivers and the road rules concerning bikes.

Now... If one didn't fear the possibility of violent crime, what would be the need fir that person to arm themselves? Yes, you can say it's a carefully considered and calculated decision, but wouldn't fear of violent assault be one off the factors considered? In the same wayi might wear a life jacket on a boat because I fear the possibility of drowning..

I never said that "cultural diversity" was a cause of crime. This apparent need to twist my words is getting tiresome. What I mean is that certain cultural attitudes foster and facilitate crime; i.e. glorified in rap music, glamorizing gangs, etc. A lot of cultural/demographic groups are also hostile to those other than their own. just being the wrong race in the wrong neighborhood makes you a target for rape, robbery, assault/battery, death, etc.

And before that gets twisted into something else, I should state that not all cultures consist of the same race and economic class, not all races consist of the same culture and economic class, and that not all economic classes consist of the same race and culture.

New Zealand compared to USA violent crime

my mistake then, that was just how I read the words you wrote. I wasn't deliberately trying to change what you were saying.

 

[Father Heathen]

Now... If one didn't fear the possibility of violent crime, what would be the need fir that person to arm themselves? Yes, you can say it's a carefully considered and calculated decision, but wouldn't fear of violent assault be one off the factors considered? In the same wayi might wear a life jacket on a boat because I fear the possibility of drowning...

As I've stated, I don't personally own any guns or carry any weapons (but I would if I felt situational risk called for it). However I do wear a seat belt out of habit, yet automobile accidents are not something I fear or even think about. I don't understand the notion that precautionary measures are "crazy" or "paranoid".

 

[methylatedghosts]

As I've stated, I don't personally own any guns or carry any weapons (but I would if I felt situational risk called for it). However I do wear a seat belt out of habit, yet automobile accidents are not something I fear or even think about. I don't understand the notion that precautionary measures are "crazy" or "paranoid".

I don't believe I said anything about crazy or paranoid

 

[Father Heathen]

I don't believe I said anything about crazy or paranoid

Perhaps not you, but a lot of anti-gun folks having been either saying it or implying it.

I view a firearm as no different than any other piece of safety/emergency tool or equipment. Just because people might keep them on hand doesn't mean they actually expect to use them, or dwell upon the possibility of doing so.

Almost everyone wears a seat-belt, yet most people don't constantly worry about being in an automobile accident or expect to be in one.

 

[Riverwolf]

Perhaps not you, but a lot of anti-gun folks having been either saying it or implying it.

I view a firearm as no different than any other piece of safety/emergency tool or equipment. Just because people might keep them on hand doesn't mean they actually expect to use them, or dwell upon the possibility of doing so.

Almost everyone wears a seat-belt, yet most people don't constantly worry about being in an automobile accident or expect to be in one.

I do, actually. I'm far more scared of cars than I am of guns (which is one of the reasons I refuse to drive; that fear could cause me to be a dangerous driver), and I'll wager that I can find numbers that they're responsible for more civilian deaths than guns.

I'd NEVER ask for cars to be outlawed.

 

[Revoltingest]

I do, actually. I'm far more scared of cars than I am of guns (which is one of the reasons I refuse to drive; that fear could cause me to be a dangerous driver), and I'll wager that I can find numbers that they're responsible for more civilian deaths than guns.
I'd NEVER ask for cars to be outlawed.

I'd support banning eating sammichs while driving.
Eating While Driving Significantly Increases Chances Of A Car Accident, Experts Say « CBS Los Angeles

 

[Riverwolf]

I'd support banning eating sammichs while driving.
Eating While Driving Significantly Increases Chances Of A Car Accident, Experts Say « CBS Los Angeles

LOL That would suck.

But, I support anything to reduce accident risk while we wait for automatic-driving cars (which should hopefully be within a few years.)

 

[obsidian]

Yep. Have traditional weapons and have been taught how to weaponize non-traditional things. I'm not a good victim.

 

[Mycroft]

Knowledge is my weapon! I carry it with me all the time!

 

[oldbadger]

I'd support banning eating sammichs while driving.

Over here, the Police can stop, fine and give 'points' to any driver who they see, eating, drinking, adjusting make-up, texting, 'phoning, looking at maps, etc etc........

 

[oldbadger]

I view a firearm as no different than any other piece of safety/emergency tool or equipment. Just because people might keep them on hand doesn't mean they actually expect to use them, or dwell upon the possibility of doing so.

Got it...... so a pistol is just an instrument of safety?
In the same way as welding masks, knives, smoke detectors, hard-hats, seat-belts, life-jackets and crash-helmets?
And .... am I right in saying that a gun (waved about, shot in the air, pointed or even used) does save lives? ...... Has saved lives..... many times? A gun is just a piece of safety equipment, and it's wise to carry one?

Also, am I right in saying that employees in some jobs 'have to use' safety equipment, and many car-drivers 'have to use' seat belts, smoke detectors, crash helmets, etc, is that right?

So, if your State would only recognise the common sense and added safety from carrying a gun (or a knife) , they could enforce it? Your State could declare 'Guns and knives save lives!'

That's catchy..... I like it.... 'Guns and knives save sweetheart's' lives!' Better? So if your State declared that 'in order to secure the safety of citizens lives, reduce emergency services costs, etc etc increase welfare and safety for all..... all persons over ..... what..... 14? 16? ...... will be in possession of a safety-gun when outside their homes. All homes will be in possession of a gun and ammunition.

The act of being outside a person's registered home without a safety-firearm will attract a fine, and continued infractions will bring down a sentence of electronic tagging for periods up time.

We could do this in England! I could write to Mr Cameron and tell him that guns will save from crime, murder, robbery etc, and that pistols should be re-introduced for all, together with training in how to keep, maintain, use them? Everybody should have a gun...? The crime figures will just 'drop away'.....?

Is that right? Have I got this right? Look.... I know what you're thinking...... you're thinking that I'm just another hysterical, dumb, cupcake, anti-gun nutter, aren't you?

No.......... 'Guns and Knives save lives!' I've got it. I'm holding on to it. Won't let that thought go........ Yes?

 

[Apex]

Got it...... so a pistol is just an instrument of safety?
In the same way as welding masks, knives, smoke detectors, hard-hats, seat-belts, life-jackets and crash-helmets?
And .... am I right in saying that a gun (waved about, shot in the air, pointed or even used) does save lives? ...... Has saved lives..... many times? A gun is just a piece of safety equipment, and it's wise to carry one?

Also, am I right in saying that employees in some jobs 'have to use' safety equipment, and many car-drivers 'have to use' seat belts, smoke detectors, crash helmets, etc, is that right?

So, if your State would only recognise the common sense and added safety from carrying a gun (or a knife) , they could enforce it? Your State could declare 'Guns and knives save lives!'

That's catchy..... I like it.... 'Guns and knives save sweetheart's' lives!' Better? So if your State declared that 'in order to secure the safety of citizens lives, reduce emergency services costs, etc etc increase welfare and safety for all..... all persons over ..... what..... 14? 16? ...... will be in possession of a safety-gun when outside their homes. All homes will be in possession of a gun and ammunition.

The act of being outside a person's registered home without a safety-firearm will attract a fine, and continued infractions will bring down a sentence of electronic tagging for periods up time.

We could do this in England! I could write to Mr Cameron and tell him that guns will save from crime, murder, robbery etc, and that pistols should be re-introduced for all, together with training in how to keep, maintain, use them? Everybody should have a gun...? The crime figures will just 'drop away'.....?

Is that right? Have I got this right? Look.... I know what you're thinking...... you're thinking that I'm just another hysterical, dumb, cupcake, anti-gun nutter, aren't you?

No.......... 'Guns and Knives save lives!' I've got it. I'm holding on to it. Won't let that thought go........ Yes?

Would you like fries with that tortured analogy?

 

[Revoltingest]

Would you like fries with that tortured analogy?

Aye...where would one even start with that bizarre screed?
Some people get so ironically aggressive in their quest to be disarmed.
(But the old badger still has his tooth & claw, eh?)

 

[oldbadger]

Would you like fries with that tortured analogy?

Fries? !!

Over here, when we have a top quality fast food feed-up, we have wedges. Wedges, with sour cream and chive sauce, please.

Well...... I had nothing to do..... was bored. Oh Gawd..... I can feel another one coming on... Oh dear.... oh no....


Pit Bulls! Pit Bulls, Mastiffs, and Rottweilers....... save lives!
Yes...... I can see it now. Every American household must own a Rotty or Pitty, and these need to be loose chained either in your driveway, or on a running leash in your yard from dusk till dawn.

Pit Bulls save lives! Especially the nasty ones. I can see it now, the advert.....
Driving? Belt up! Shopping? Tool up! Bedtime? Dawgs loose! DIY? Safety specs!

......... ohh..... that's better...... I feel better now..... ok......

 

[oldbadger]

Aye...where would one even start with that bizarre screed?
Some people get so ironically aggressive in their quest to be disarmed.
(But the old badger still has his tooth & claw, eh?)

Tooth? Claw? I'm an old badger...... the clue is in the 'what's it's name', thingy...... Avatar!

All this old badger's got now is........... anal glands. Have you ever been around when an old badger has released his anal glands?
Not good.

Incidentally, there is a massive badger cull under way in some Brit counties, because 'they' reckon that Badgers spread TB amongst cattle. Now this might, just might be a possible reason why badgers around here are so p-ssed off about guns.

 

[Revoltingest]

Tooth? Claw? I'm an old badger...... the clue is in the 'what's it's name', thingy...... Avatar!

All this old badger's got now is........... anal glands. Have you ever been around when an old badger has released his anal glands?
Not good.

Incidentally, there is a massive badger cull under way in some Brit counties, because 'they' reckon that Badgers spread TB amongst cattle. Now this might, just might be a possible reason why badgers around here are so p-ssed off about guns.

Well, you badgers use bio-weapons against the humans, then whaddaya expect?

 

[Father Heathen]

Got it...... so a pistol is just an instrument of safety?
In the same way as welding masks, knives, smoke detectors, hard-hats, seat-belts, life-jackets and crash-helmets?
And .... am I right in saying that a gun (waved about, shot in the air, pointed or even used) does save lives? ...... Has saved lives..... many times? A gun is just a piece of safety equipment, and it's wise to carry one?

Also, am I right in saying that employees in some jobs 'have to use' safety equipment, and many car-drivers 'have to use' seat belts, smoke detectors, crash helmets, etc, is that right?

So, if your State would only recognise the common sense and added safety from carrying a gun (or a knife) , they could enforce it? Your State could declare 'Guns and knives save lives!'

That's catchy..... I like it.... 'Guns and knives save sweetheart's' lives!' Better? So if your State declared that 'in order to secure the safety of citizens lives, reduce emergency services costs, etc etc increase welfare and safety for all..... all persons over ..... what..... 14? 16? ...... will be in possession of a safety-gun when outside their homes. All homes will be in possession of a gun and ammunition.

The act of being outside a person's registered home without a safety-firearm will attract a fine, and continued infractions will bring down a sentence of electronic tagging for periods up time.

We could do this in England! I could write to Mr Cameron and tell him that guns will save from crime, murder, robbery etc, and that pistols should be re-introduced for all, together with training in how to keep, maintain, use them? Everybody should have a gun...? The crime figures will just 'drop away'.....?

Is that right? Have I got this right? Look.... I know what you're thinking...... you're thinking that I'm just another hysterical, dumb, cupcake, anti-gun nutter, aren't you?

No.......... 'Guns and Knives save lives!' I've got it. I'm holding on to it. Won't let that thought go........ Yes?

First, I think you need to pause and take a few slow, deep breaths.

 

[Father Heathen]

Knowledge is my weapon! I carry it with me all the time!

So if a gang has you cornered in a dark alley, you can subdue them with bits of trivia?

 

[Revoltingest]

So if a gang has you cornered in a dark alley, you can subdue them with bits of trivia?

Ya know....it would be a most fell weapon to task viscous toughs with math story problems.
If a train leaves Boston at 5pm traveling 50 mph, & a train leaves Philadelphia at 2 pm...oh, the horror!