Anyone still supporting Trump?

[Father Heathen]

I don't agree with attacks on freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, the promotion of illegal immigration, and overbearing compulsory policies that affects freedom and liberties of people among many others. That is an overall assessment.

Unfortunately, that means I must 'defend' things that I see as unfavorable or undesirable because those freedoms must apply to everyone. If one disappears and taken away for one group, then the other group loses it too. I will still continue to protect those things as best as one average man can and make no apology for it.

That said, there are many things that violate human rights and dignity that I condem to which I press for reform. That includes unlawful separation , racism, and the like that has assaulted individuals unfairly and unjustly and I had spoken out on those things in the past. Covid issues im not touching on here anymore due to a new forum rule. Lets just say people should be left to make their own health choices, not the government. I leave it at that.

What made me drop Trump was the fact that a red line was crossed that went beyond speech and ideals and resulted in an aggressive action on our institutions of government over an election result.

It made me realize the two party monopoly has now gotten to a point where, In my opinion, both simply have to go because neither is good for the country anymore.

Too bad most of that is a bizarre mischaracterization of "the left".

 

[Sunstone]

So then why don't most asian and European countries who play the exact same violent games see anything near our level of crime and violence?
It's because video games are used as a convenient, shiftless scapegoat.

It's not an issue I care much about. But if you want to discuss it with other folks, please start a separate thread on it.

 

[Heyo]

Now why would people love such gore? Hmmm?

For the same reason people like scary movies or houses. For the same reason they like love stories. For the same reason they like sad movies.
It's entertainment, it tickles our emotions, but we know it's not real and we are safe.
When I "shoot" at pixels on my screen, nobody gets hurt and I can let a bit aggression out.
Such things don't phase sane people. I'd even argue they are good for their mental health (in moderation).
It may be that it isn't good for people who already have a problem with differentiating reality from fiction.

 

[Audie]

Of course you do. Everything goes to plan in the Chinese scheme to destroy the US.

Unfortunately you guys don't need help

 

[YoursTrue]

So then why don't most asian and European countries who play the exact same violent games see anything near our level of crime and violence?
It's because video games are used as a convenient, shiftless scapegoat.

My first guess is that violence would be clamped down quickly in other countries. I haven't taken a survey. Usually images of violence don't linger in my mind, one reason is that I don't watch or enjoy violent movies or games. But the image of those people breaking into the Capitol building with glee and no remorse stays with me. Frightening isn't the word for it. How did these people get that way? So if enjoyment of seeing violence in movies and games doesn't affect people here, as you seem to say, then what does? DNA????

 

[YoursTrue]

For the same reason people like scary movies or houses. For the same reason they like love stories. For the same reason they like sad movies.
It's entertainment, it tickles our emotions, but we know it's not real and we are safe.
When I "shoot" at pixels on my screen, nobody gets hurt and I can let a bit aggression out.
Such things don't phase sane people. I'd even argue they are good for their mental health (in moderation).
It may be that it isn't good for people who already have a problem with differentiating reality from fiction.

Look, the same argument can be made for other things, too. Anyway, it's not for me. You can have it. I wouldn't buy it, sell such games (games?), or promote them. And -- at this point in my life, I'd walk away from a fight or possibility of violence. Have a nice day. By the way, I feel the same way about boxing and other type games (sport) that can lead to hurt. I think it's a terrible 'sport.'

 

[YoursTrue]

For the same reason people like scary movies or houses. For the same reason they like love stories. For the same reason they like sad movies.
It's entertainment, it tickles our emotions, but we know it's not real and we are safe.
When I "shoot" at pixels on my screen, nobody gets hurt and I can let a bit aggression out.
Such things don't phase sane people. I'd even argue they are good for their mental health (in moderation).
It may be that it isn't good for people who already have a problem with differentiating reality from fiction.

P.S. I don't like to be scared. I guess some think it's fun. I don't.

 

[Sunstone]

Unfortunately you guys don't need help

I blame that fact on the Hidden Homosexual Agenda.

 

[Audie]

I blame that fact on the Hidden Homosexual Agenda.

Yeah, but I am serious.

 

[Audie]

P.S. I don't like to be scared. I guess some think it's fun. I don't.

You won't get me onto a roller coaster!

 

[Father Heathen]

My first guess is that violence would be clamped down quickly in other countries. I haven't taken a survey. Usually images of violence don't linger in my mind, one reason is that I don't watch or enjoy violent movies or games. But the image of those people breaking into the Capitol building with glee and no remorse stays with me. Frightening isn't the word for it. How did these people get that way? So if enjoyment of seeing violence in movies and games doesn't affect people here, as you seem to say, then what does? DNA????

Humans have displayed brutal savagery long before video games.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don’t want to derail the thread from the subject, but just to clarify: do you really think of Biden as “evil” or are you just using that as a figure of speech here to illustrate limited choices?

I figure it’s the latter, since atheists like you and me normally view humans as humans, and judge them relative to each other.

Thanks.

It's a common idiom, not to be taken literally.
This is just as you won't actually derail the
thread, which has neither wheels nor tracks.

 

[oldbadger]

Are there any Trump supporters left here? Anyone who would consider voting form him if he ran in 2024? Or are we finally all on the same page about what a piece of garbage he is?

On RF? Probably on the same page ...
But if you scan around some of the extreme right wing forums (I have a couple in mind,) it can be seen that there are masses of people who are convinced that the riot upon the Capitol was led by 'Leftists' and that they have all been cheated ..... they can do no wrong because ...
Rightists are Righteous = Godly
Leftists are Evil = Satanic and anybody not extreme right wing is on Satan's side .

I don't know what % of Trumpers (not Republicans imo) think like this, very small, but in any case this situation could be very very dangerous, imo.

 

[Sunstone]

Yeah, but I am serious.

I know. I took you seriously. I just didn't show it.
We are clearly destroying our country, and have
been for some decades.

Any ideas about what can be done about it?

 

[Audie]

I know. I took you seriously. We are clearly
destroying our country, and have been for
some decades.

Any ideas about what can be done about it?

Sure, but nothing that I think can or will be done.

 

[Sunstone]

Sure, but nothing that I think can or will be done.

It really pains me to say this, but the things I think
must be done are not likely to get done either. I would
not be too surprised if we're thinking of some of the
same things.

Whatever the case, I'll lay money neither one of us
thinks the core solution is for the country to 'return
to Jesus'. But honestly, I think that's part of the problem.
The attraction we have for simple-minded 'solutions'.

 

[Audie]

It really pains me to say this, but the things I think
must be done are not likely to get done either. I would
not be too surprised if we're thinking of some of the
same things.

Whatever the case, I'll lay money neither one of us
thinks the core solution is for the country to 'return
to Jesus'. But honestly, I think that's part of the problem.
The attraction we have for simple-minded 'solutions'.

The good ideas can be stated in simple words.

Make America great is simple.
Stop corruption and cronyism
Take care of the environment
Have a sane, humane health care system
Same for immigration.
Etc

Now go forth, get universal agreement and execute the plans. Who shall successfully carry that banner ?

 

[Revoltingest]

The good ideas can be stated in simple words.

Make America great is simple.
Stop corruption and cronyism
Take care of the environment
Have a sane, humane health care system
Same for immigration.
Etc

Now go forth, get universal agreement and execute the plans. Who shall successfully carry that banner ?

When one side supports something, there's
political hay to be made opposing it.
Border security is just such a ping pong ball.

 

[Audie]

When one side supports something, there's
political hay to be made opposing it.
Border security is just such a ping pong ball.

I think the border / third world immigration
runs far deeper than that.
And that it requires no dark conspiracy
or racism to explain it.

 

[Heyo]

Look, the same argument can be made for other things, too. Anyway, it's not for me. You can have it. I wouldn't buy it, sell such games (games?), or promote them. And -- at this point in my life, I'd walk away from a fight or possibility of violence. Have a nice day. By the way, I feel the same way about boxing and other type games (sport) that can lead to hurt. I think it's a terrible 'sport.'

I also avoid physical violence and fights. I also think that boxing is not a sport. I just draw my line between real violence and fictional violence.