Anyone still supporting Trump?

[Heyo]

P.S. I don't like to be scared. I guess some think it's fun. I don't.

I don't get scared. For me horror is boring, except when its the creeping doom horror authors like E. A. Poe, Roald Dahl or Patricia Highsmith can invoke.

 

[Heyo]

You won't get me onto a roller coaster!

They won't let you on a roller coaster.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

There are some studies -- a few -- that lend support to your claim there's a link between violent games and real life violence. You will be hard pressed to find even one of them, though. Several years ago a quite different study was done examining how well the studies linking games to violence were reported in the media. It found them to be significantly under-reported when compared to a selection of similarity controversial science stories. The authors speculated that people really don't want to hear of any downside to their games and the media outlets don't want to lose readers and viewers.

At any rate, so far as I can recall, there aren't that many studies to begin with. I myself can't say I know whether there's a meaningful link or not.

Newer studies are showing flawed methodologies in previous studies. Such as, other studies have shown that increasing the difficulty of non-violenent games will illicit the same responses found in previous studies using violent games.
And it rarely gets brought up in these studies that places lkke Canada, Japan, or Sweden consume violent media but don't have a problem with violence like America does.
Amd a lot of those studies, some of the "aggressive responses" are pretty iffy. According to one of my colleges teachers, she was part of one team into such research and the aggressive response was deciding someone with acid reflux or something should be given a spicy snack. So hardly an indication of if someone will punch or shoot someone else. And as she too pointed out, we don't see these studies explaining things in the real world.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Sadly, this is a bit like deploying the airbags after impact.

My concern with Trump was always focused not just on what he did, but also the way his actions portended what he was capable of.

I agree. There was nothing in his history to suggest he'd be a capable leader and plenty to suggest he'd use his power for self-serving interests to the detriment of everyone else.

 

[Earthtank]

While i hate the right (reps) almost as equally as i hate the left (dems) i do support Trump's $2,000 stimulus check, does that make me a Trump supporter? lol

 

[Sand Dancer]

Still plenty left on Facebook, spewing excuses, accusations, and conspiracy theories.
How did we get here? How did our society reach such a sizable portion of mouth-breathing, slack-jawed dopes?

They are leaving Facebook and Twitter for Parler.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Still plenty left on Facebook, spewing excuses, accusations, and conspiracy theories.
How did we get here? How did our society reach such a sizable portion of mouth-breathing, slack-jawed dopes?

We've always had them. Technology has just given them more air time.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

While i hate the right (reps) almost as equally as i hate the left (dems) i do support Trump's $2,000 stimulus check, does that make me a Trump supporter? lol

The idea wasn't Trump's, and he couldn't care less if anybody gets anything. That was nothing but catering to the air-waves to gain a little popular support.

 

[Sunstone]

I agree. There was nothing in his history to suggest he'd be a capable leader and plenty to suggest he'd use his power for self-serving interests to the detriment of everyone else.

I think a lesson that might be drawn here is that we need to somehow significantly improve the accuracy of the information given to voters. I also think another possible lesson is the percentage of the population that cannot reliably assess character and make predictive conclusions about someone's behavior based on their assessments is greater than we might think. But even if that's true, I don't see what we can do about it. So, I think we need to focus on ameliorating disinformation and promoting accurate information.

It won't be easy. It might not even be possible. But we should try.

Three things to consider...

Restore the Fairness Doctrine in broadcast media.

Make it possible to sue media outlets if they exceed some threshold or test for propagating disinformation.

Find some means of abolishing -- or at least grossly restricting -- the algorithms social media platforms use that systemically lead people down rabbit holes of ever increasing disinformation.

 

[Audie]

The idea wasn't Trump's, and he couldn't care less if anybody gets anything. That was nothing but catering to the air-waves to gain a little popular support.

Mind reader, are we?

 

[Scott C.]

Are there any Trump supporters left here? Anyone who would consider voting form him if he ran in 2024? Or are we finally all on the same page about what a piece of garbage he is?

I wouldn't vote for Trump again. I always perceived him to have less than desirable character, but I didn't believe he would go this low. I suppose I would vote for a third party, who has no chance to win. I've been bouncing between MSNBC, CNN, and Fox since the invasion. I hear the liberal media condemning the siege and I agree, but they inevitably mix in their liberal idealogy and it turns me off. Then Fox condemns the violence but some of them continue to propogate the lies and they turn me off. I start to wonder if there are not any normal Americans around here, those who believe in capitalism, the work ethic, independence, compassion, charity, truth, honor, patriotism, who love America and see her as the greatest nation on earth, despite her flaws, salute the flag, respect those with differing views, and value civility. Where did America go?

 

[Father Heathen]

Mind reader, are we?

Through behavior, yes, easily enough.

 

[YoursTrue]

Humans have displayed brutal savagery long before video games.

Yes...that is true. What particularly bothers me is cock fights.

 

[YoursTrue]

When one side supports something, there's
political hay to be made opposing it.
Border security is just such a ping pong ball.

True. And that makes me think of the refugee camps in many parts of the world that people don't even know about. Sad, sad, sad.

 

[YoursTrue]

I also avoid physical violence and fights. I also think that boxing is not a sport. I just draw my line between real violence and fictional violence.

That's good that you draw the line between real and fictionalized violence. Although then there's always football, another sport I will not support. And then there's organized crime that gets its foot in the door.

 

[Sunstone]

I wouldn't vote for Trump again. I always perceived him to have less than desirable character, but I didn't believe he would go this low. I suppose I would vote for a third party, who has no chance to win. I've been bouncing between MSNBC, CNN, and Fox since the invasion. I hear the liberal media condemning the siege and I agree, but they inevitably mix in their liberal idealogy and it turns me off. Then Fox condemns the violence but some of them continue to propogate the lies and they turn me off. I start to wonder if there are not any normal Americans around here, those who believe in capitalism, the work ethic, independence, compassion, charity, truth, honor, patriotism, who love America and see her as the greatest nation on earth, despite her flaws, salute the flag, respect those with differing views, and value civility. Where did America go?

You might be interested in checking out Ball and Enjeti on "The Rising". I don't know, might not be your thing, Scott. But your call.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

I wouldn't vote for Trump again. I always perceived him to have less than desirable character, but I didn't believe he would go this low. I suppose I would vote for a third party, who has no chance to win. I've been bouncing between MSNBC, CNN, and Fox since the invasion. I hear the liberal media condemning the siege and I agree, but they inevitably mix in their liberal idealogy and it turns me off. Then Fox condemns the violence but some of them continue to propogate the lies and they turn me off. I start to wonder if there are not any normal Americans around here, those who believe in capitalism, the work ethic, independence, compassion, charity, truth, honor, patriotism, who love America and see her as the greatest nation on earth, despite her flaws, salute the flag, respect those with differing views, and value civility. Where did America go?

Honestly, you shouldn’t watch any cable news. Not Fox News, or CNN or MSNBC.

You should read the boring print news. Boring news like Reuters and AP have to be accurate because accuracy is the only thing they have going for them. They aren’t entertaining in the least, as cable news is designed to be.

I recommend the NYT and the WSJ. One has liberal opinion pages and the other conservative. I subscribe to both - I think it’s like $4 per month. It’s worth it.

There is a reason CNN and MSNBC and Fox News are free ... because they aren’t delivering an accurate news product to you. They are free because YOU are the product. They are designed to grab eyeballs and that means catering to what their target audiences WANT to hear.

Subscription news is a different model and therefore doesn’t have that problem. The accuracy and comprehensiveness of their news IS their product.

 

[Sunstone]

Honestly, you shouldn’t watch any cable news. Not Fox News, or CNN or MSNBC.

You should read the boring print news. Boring news like Reuters and AP have to be accurate because accuracy is the only thing they have going for them. They aren’t entertaining in the least, as cable news is designed to be.

I recommend the NYT and the WSJ. One has liberal opinion pages and the other conservative. I subscribe to both - I think it’s like $4 per month. It’s worth it.

There is a reason CNN and MSNBC and Fox News are free ... because they aren’t delivering an accurate news product to you. They are free because YOU are the product. They are designed to grab eyeballs and that means catering to what their target audiences WANT to hear.

Subscription news is a different model and therefore doesn’t have that problem. The accuracy and comprehensiveness of their news IS their product.

Well, that should get a 'two-winner' rating. I'd only add my urging not to stop with the NYT and the WSJ. One or two foreign papers, perhaps. They tend to be relatively free of our sometimes inbred perspectives. It's time consuming at first, but one learns to skim for the key stories.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Mind reader, are we?

It is not always necessary to be a mind reader to understand some people. Being a keen observer is sometimes quite enough, especially if they leave clues to themselves strewn all over the place.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I suppose I would vote for a third party, who has no chance to win.

Thus, very likely increasingly the chances that somebody unsavoury may win. I don't think that's a particularly good strategy, either.