Anything Goes LDS Thread (Everyone Welcome)

[nutshell]

It follows the story line EXACTLY and quotes exact scripture, how can that be misinterpreted.

It follows the storyline EXACTLY as YOU'VE interpreted it.

I've been through the Book of Mormon more times than I can count and there were absolutely no significant artistic liberties or personal interpretations taken/produced in this film (The Book of Mormon Movie).

A movie is an artistic expression whether you recognize it or not. What was the weather like during parts of the film? What words did Nephi emphasize when he was speaking? What was the music like? How about the lighting? Were there any special effects? How was the angel portrayed?

The details to make a movie are not found in the Book of Mormon - hence, artistic liberty was certainly a part of it. Even the temple endowment videos use artistic liberty.

 

[Katzpur]

Very alarming to hear you say that.

Oh, please. There's no need to be alarmed. It's just my opinion on a movie, for crying out loud.

It's THE most important movie ever being produced, albeit no perfect, they did the best they could, given the EXTREMELY limited funds.

I'm not denying that whoever made the movie did the best they could. I'm saying that their bests efforts were almost embarrassing. The movie was lousy in my opinion.

Look at the movie for what it's worth, eternally immeasurable to the souls of all those who view it.

The book was better. :yes: Anybody who wants to read it can get its eternally immeasureable worth without having to sit through a bad movie.

Was not Nephi's dream (the scene where Christ was shown as the savior of the world) not moving enough for you ???

I honestly can't remember that scene, FFH. The only scene that really sticks in my mind is the one where the angel smote Leman and Lemuel. I don't think I have ever seen anything as cheesy in my life.

 

[Katzpur]

Did God reveal to you that this movie is now a part of the Standard Works?

I think it's somewhere in the Bible Code.

 

[nutshell]

The only scene that really sticks in my mind is the one where the angel smote Leman and Lemuel. I don't think I have ever seen anything as cheesy in my life.

Kitty, can you explain that scene as portrayed in the movie please.

 

[Katzpur]

different languages, different understanding of terms? "skin" in german always is seen in context with external matters.

Well, in this case, it symbolizes something else. There is really nothing I can do about that.

what crimes are homosexuals accused? i mean, they havent picked their sexual orientation themselves.

The Church does not condemn same-sex attraction as a crime. It condemns sex outside of marriage, whether it be homosexual sex or heterosexual sex. I would agree with you that we don't choose our sexual orientation. We do, however, choose our actions.

 

[Katzpur]

Kitty, can you explain that scene as portrayed in the movie please.

Well, it's been several years since I saw it, but as I recall, Leman and Lemual were stiff and sort of jerking around in the air, surrounded by sparks or something. Honestly, I can't remember it all that well. I think I've probably succeeded in blocking it from my mind.

 

[nutshell]

Well, it's been several years since I saw it, but as I recall, Leman and Lemual were stiff and sort of jerking around in the air, surrounded by sparks or something. Honestly, I can't remember it all that well. I think I've probably succeeded in blocking it from my mind.

Interesting, it sounds like interpretation and artistic expression.

 

[TrueBlue2]

Nutshell & Katzpur-

It is not my intent to get into a debate here over Book of Mormon geography. Nor do I think it necessary to "win" every debate. My purpose for being on these sites is somewhat different than yours, I suspect. I concede the point. Nevertheless Moroni 6 does speak about Mormon hiding up the plates in the Hill Cumorah during the last of the Nephite/Lamanite battles indicating that they were here in North America.

 

[FFH]

It follows the storyline EXACTLY as YOU'VE interpreted it.

You've just born false witness against me.

A movie is an artistic expression whether you recognize it or not. What was the weather like during parts of the film? What words did Nephi emphasize when he was speaking? What was the music like? How about the lighting? Were there any special effects? How was the angel portrayed?

The details to make a movie are not found in the Book of Mormon - hence, artistic liberty was certainly a part of it. Even the temple endowment videos use artistic liberty.

There were no significant artistic liberties taken which would have any bearing or could be misinterpreted fom the original content of the Book or Mormon.

Nothing Gary Rogers (producer) did detracted or misrepresented the Book of Mormon events or actual scripture.

He did a great job, the best he could, with the limited funds he had. Remember Larry Miller turned him (Gary Rogers) down and when he asked Larry to help fund the film.

If i remember right Larry thought there not enough of an audience to fund the film and make a profit.

The Lord is not interested in profits, but in saving and exalting souls eternally.

Gary Rogers did the right thing, with or without the proper funding. He did the best he could and did not sway from the story line and scriptures found in the Book of Mormon.

 

[nutshell]

Nutshell & Katzpur-

It is not my intent to get into a debate here over Book of Mormon geography. Nor do I think it necessary to "win" every debate. My purpose for being on these sites is somewhat different than yours, I suspect. I concede the point. Nevertheless Moroni 6 does speak about Mormon hiding up the plates in the Hill Cumorah during the last of the Nephite/Lamanite battles indicating that they were here in North America.

And there's a lot of debate and discussion about the Hill Cumorah as well. I guess will just let this one go. For the future, however, you might want to lay off the personal attacks such as "bit off more than you can chew" and "you should do this or that."

By the way, welcome to the forums.

 

[Katzpur]

It is not my intent to get into a debate here over Book of Mormon geography. Nor do I think it necessary to "win" every debate.

I agree. We don't know the specifics, and we have a difference of opinion over the geography. What's important is that we agree that the Book of Mormon is scripture.

 

[FFH]

Nutshell & Katzpur-

It is not my intent to get into a debate here over Book of Mormon geography. Nor do I think it necessary to "win" every debate. My purpose for being on these sites is somewhat different than yours, I suspect. I concede the point. Nevertheless Moroni 6 does speak about Mormon hiding up the plates in the Hill Cumorah during the last of the Nephite/Lamanite battles indicating that they were here in North America.

For what it's worth, I also beleive that the Lamanites filled South America, while the Nephites filled North America, hence the reason why the plates were buried in early 400 A.D. and found in Upstate, New York in the early 1800's.

The following could be possible.

North American Native Indians ~ Nephites
South Americans ~ Lamanites

 

[nutshell]

You've just born false witness against me.

What ARE you talking about???

There were no significant artistic liberties taken which would have any bearing or could be misinterpreted fom the original content of the Book or Mormon.

Art is always an interpretation.

 

[Sola'lor]

I thought the Book of Mormon movie was one of the dumbest movies ever. I could do better special effects and sets in my garage with cardboard.

 

[Bishka]

By the way, Kirby Heyborne played Sam in The Book of Mormon Movie if you hadn't noticed.

Kirby Heyborne - Wiki

So what?

 

[Katzpur]

I thought the Book of Mormon movie was one of the dumbest movies ever. I could do better special effects and sets in my garage with cardboard.

Read my post #146. Did I describe that scene accurately? It's hard for me to remember.

 

[Katzpur]

By the way, Kirby Heyborne played Sam in The Book of Mormon Movie if you hadn't noticed.

Well, I've never heard of the guy, but in checking out the wiki link, I recognized him as Elder Calhoun in "The Best Two Years." He did a great job in that. Cracked me up.

 

[Delphine]

The Church does not condemn same-sex attraction as a crime. It condemns sex outside of marriage, whether it be homosexual sex or heterosexual sex. I would agree with you that we don't choose our sexual orientation. We do, however, choose our actions.

Suppose the laws were to be changed to allow same-sex marriage. Wouldn't the church still condemn homosexual sex between a legally married couple?

 

[FFH]

Well, I've never heard of the guy, but in checking out the wiki link, I recognized him as Elder Calhoun in "The Best Two Years." He did a great job in that. Cracked me up.

He also played the English soldier in "Saint's and Soldiers.

He's an extremely versatile LDS actor and has appeared in most LDS films. He plays lead roles in the "Son's of Provo," "The Singles Ward" and "The Singles 2nd Ward," just silly commedy though, and of course he was the leading actor in "The R.M."

The list of LDS films he's played a leading or supporting role in is long.

 

[Katzpur]

Suppose the laws were to be changed to allow same-sex marriage. Wouldn't the church still condemn homosexual sex between a legally married couple?

Yes, it would, because the laws of the land do not necessarily reflect the will of God. Cohabitation between unmarried heterosexuals is not currently illegal anywhere in the United States, for instance, but that doesn't make it acceptable in God's eyes.

On a related note... I personally would not object to same-sex marriages, but then I am probably more liberal than most other LDS on RF. My own belief is that homosexual sex is sinful, but I don't believe any government should attempt to legislate morality. Homosexual couples are going to have sex whether they're married or not. I don't see how giving them their civil rights under the law is going to adversely affect me. But again... I am stating my personal opinion and am not trying to make a statement of what my Church teaches.