Arab race older than Jew race .

[Godobeyer]

Salam/Shalom/hi to all

I have an opinion , Irahim/Abraham (pbuh) born Ishmeal (pbuh) from Hajar and Isaac (pbuh) from Sara

Ishmeal (pbuh) came first, then Isaac (pbuh) came . so the Arab race came first then the Jew ,

 

[Desert Snake]

You need to explain your theory better, imo

 

[Koldo]

What he is saying is that the arabs come from Ishmael lineage, whereas jews come from Isaac lineage.
Since Ishmael was born first then arabs came before jews...or at least that is his reasoning.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Ishmeal (pbuh) came first, then Isaac (pbuh) came . so the Arab race came first then the Jew ,

OK. Therefore?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It's interesting that a polemic against primogeniture runs as a subtext throughout the Tanakh.

 

[YmirGF]

It's interesting that a polemic against primogeniture runs as a subtext throughout the Tanakh.

That is interesting, Jay. Trust those pesky Jewish folks...

 

[rosends]

Salam/Shalom/hi to all

I have an opinion , Irahim/Abraham (pbuh) born Ishmeal (pbuh) from Hajar and Isaac (pbuh) from Sara

Ishmeal (pbuh) came first, then Isaac (pbuh) came . so the Arab race came first then the Jew ,

Since Judaism isn't a race, and Ishmael didn't live in the Arabian peninsula, you would have to go back and redefine your terms for this to make any sense at all. This website gives some interesting history to the word "Arab" and connects it to a place, not a people.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Since Judaism isn't a race, and Ishmael didn't live in the Arabian peninsula, you would have to go back and redefine your terms for this to make any sense at all. This website gives some interesting history to the word "Arab" and connects it to a place, not a people.

I really, really hate flimsy claims like …

"It is however suggested that the "mixed multitude" (Hebrew, erev) mentioned in Exodus (xii, 38) as having accompanied the Israelites into the wanderness from Egypt may be for Arabs."​

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Wait, if Israelis and ismael came
from Abraham doesnt that make jews & ismaelite arabs partly
Iraqi Babylonians/Mesopotamians?
Abraham peace be upon him came from Ur, modernday Iraq. What does that make ismaelite arabs and jews?

 

[rosends]

I really, really hate flimsy claims like …

"It is however suggested that the "mixed multitude" (Hebrew, erev) mentioned in Exodus (xii, 38) as having accompanied the Israelites into the wanderness from Egypt may be for Arabs."​

Yeah, the idea that eirev rav is at all connected is linguistically suspect and completely destroys the OP's position. It also makes "Arab" limited to those who tried to join the Hebrews exiting Egypt. Bizarre.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

I really, really hate flimsy claims like …

"It is however suggested that the "mixed multitude" (Hebrew, erev) mentioned in Exodus (xii, 38) as having accompanied the Israelites into the wanderness from Egypt may be for Arabs."​

thank you for setting him straight about our ancestors

 

[Valjean]

If my mother had given birth to a different race sibling I think my father would have been pretty perturbed...

Race is bunk. I thought both Arabs and Hebrews were ethnically Semitic.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Race is bunk. I thought both Arabs and Hebrews were ethnically Semitic.

Fixating on the term "race" in this thread strikes me as cheap polemic at best.

 

[columbus]

If my mother had given birth to a different race sibling I think my father would have been pretty perturbed...

Race is bunk. I thought both Arabs and Hebrews were ethnically Semitic.

As far as I can see the Jewish and Arabic people are identical "racially". Of course, Korean and Japanese people look alike to me while they seem to easily see the differences. <shrug>

But if this is all about implausible stories from millennia ago, sorry my Muslim friends. Yours are nearly as implausible as the resurrection. I do believe that most of the Jewish stories are based on actual events, if hugely embroidered into the current legends.

Tom

 

[-Peacemaker-]

As far as I can see the Jewish and Arabic people are identical "racially". Of course, Korean and Japanese people look alike to me while they seem to easily see the differences. <shrug>

But if this is all about implausible stories from millennia ago, sorry my Muslim friends. Yours are nearly as implausible as the resurrection. I do believe that most of the Jewish stories are based on actual events, if hugely embroidered into the current legends.

Tom

As someone with Jewish heritage I just can't agree with that statement. I'm of Ashkenazi decent. There couldn't be much more difference in characteristics between Ashkenazi Jews and Arabs. Even from a biblical perspective the slave Hagar was from different stock than Sarah.

 

[columbus]

As someone with Jewish heritage I just can't agree with that statement. I'm of Ashkenazi decent. There couldn't be much more difference in characteristics between Ashkenazi Jews and Arabs. Even from a biblical perspective the slave Hagar was from different stock than Sarah.

Egyptians like Hagar are a little more different. But the differences, physically ,between Semitic people and Nordic, or African or Chinese are rather more apparent to most people.

Tom

 

[Frank Bunneh]

If the theory proves correct then all it really means is that Arab men have been masturbating more years than Jewish men.

 

[Lyndon]

Salam/Shalom/hi to all

I have an opinion , Irahim/Abraham (pbuh) born Ishmeal (pbuh) from Hajar and Isaac (pbuh) from Sara

Ishmeal (pbuh) came first, then Isaac (pbuh) came . so the Arab race came first then the Jew ,

That assumes Abraham and his ancestors were not Jews. I'm pretty sure a Jewish person would think they were Jews. And Ishmael was only half Jewish, his mother would have been what we call today Palestinian or pagan arab??

 

[Godobeyer]

that's why I post this thread in Abrahimic DIR

Abrahim (pbuh) is not Jew nor Arab . that's in Bible
Isaac (pbuh) is the origine of Jews , so most of the Prophets to Jews comes

Ishmeal (pbuh) is the orgine of Arabs . the promise of God to Hajar (pbuh),: great nation: is Muslims .

 

[Godobeyer]

That assumes Abraham and his ancestors were not Jews. I'm pretty sure a Jewish person would think they were Jews. And Ishmael was only half Jewish, his mother would have been what we call today Palestinian or pagan arab??

EDITED TO ADD
Abraham (pbuh) was not Jew .
Ishmeal (pbuh) was not half of Jewish .
as i know :
Hajar was Egyptian slave , gave to Abrahim (pbuh) as gift from Sara (pbuh) .

I found this article from Jewish site:
Isaac & Ishmael - Jewish History