Arab race older than Jew race .

[Godobeyer]

From Quran ;

Surah Al-E-Imran (3/67)
Abraham was not a Jew, nor yet a Christian; but he was an upright man who had surrendered (to Allah), and he was not of the idolaters. (67)

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

@Godobeyer , I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to argue and why. Do you see any intrinsic value in being the older 'race'?

 

[Koldo]

Judaism came after Abraham (pbuh) .


(Gen. 35:23). Jacob was one of Isaac’s two sons (Gen. 25:26). Isaac was one of Abraham’s two sons (Gen. 21:3). Abraham was, therefore, Judah’s great-grandfather. He was not a Jew, but was rather one of their ancestors, and should appropriately be called a Hebrew (a descendant of Eber—Gen. 11:17-26).
from this link
Was Abraham a Jew?

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, known as the Patriarchs, are both the physical and spiritual ancestors of Judaism. They founded the religion now known as Judaism, and their descendants are the Jewish people. Of course, technically, it is incorrect to refer to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as Jews, because the terms "Jew" and "Judaism" were not used generally to refer to this nation until hundreds of years after their time; nevertheless, for convenience and in accordance with common practice, I will use these terms.

from this link
Judaism 101: The Patriarchs and the Origins of Judaism

Have you noticed what you have done?
The source you are using to explain to me that Abraham was not a jew says that Isaac was also not a jew.

 

[metis]

First of all, Jews and Arabs are not races, nor is "Arab" a reference to one nationality. Secondly, one cannot in reality be older than the other since genome testing has shown a close relationship genetically between Jews and Palestinians.

Therefore, on at least a couple of counts, the OP makes literally no sense.

 

[rosends]

Judaism came after Abraham (pbuh) .


(Gen. 35:23). Jacob was one of Isaac’s two sons (Gen. 25:26). Isaac was one of Abraham’s two sons (Gen. 21:3). Abraham was, therefore, Judah’s great-grandfather. He was not a Jew, but was rather one of their ancestors, and should appropriately be called a Hebrew (a descendant of Eber—Gen. 11:17-26).
from this link
Was Abraham a Jew?

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, known as the Patriarchs, are both the physical and spiritual ancestors of Judaism. They founded the religion now known as Judaism, and their descendants are the Jewish people. Of course, technically, it is incorrect to refer to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as Jews, because the terms "Jew" and "Judaism" were not used generally to refer to this nation until hundreds of years after their time; nevertheless, for convenience and in accordance with common practice, I will use these terms.

from this link
Judaism 101: The Patriarchs and the Origins of Judaism

But then Isaac is not a Jew either and you had indicated otherwise.

 

[Desert Snake]

religiously, Isaac is the first, no?

 

[rosends]

religiously, Isaac is the first, no?

Nope.

 

[Godobeyer]

Isaac was born on the first day of Pesach (Rosh Hashana 11a). He was the first Jew to be born a Jew

Isaac, Our Father - Jewish History

I dont know if there is verse in Quran said Isaac( pbuh) is a Jew . i will check out

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Again, what is your point and why do you think it important to share?

 

[Koldo]

Isaac was born on the first day of Pesach (Rosh Hashana 11a). He was the first Jew to be born a Jew

Isaac, Our Father - Jewish History

I dont know if there is verse in Quran said Isaac( pbuh) is a Jew . i will check out

Is this for real?

The complete sentence is: "Isaac was born on the first day of Pesach (Rosh Hashana 11a). He was the first Jew to be born a Jew, whose parents were Jews."

Seriously, why don't you just read your own sources ?

 

[Godobeyer]

@Godobeyer , I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to argue and why. Do you see any intrinsic value in being the older 'race'?

Just for discussion to exchange the views and check the reactions ,I know it's sensitive subject .

I try my best to stay in topic

 

[Godobeyer]

Again, what is your point and why do you think it important to share?

It's not much important , i just reply to members question .

 

[Godobeyer]

Is this for real?

The complete sentence is: "Isaac was born on the first day of Pesach (Rosh Hashana 11a). He was the first Jew to be born a Jew, whose parents were Jews."

Seriously, why don't you just read your own sources ?

sorry
Really i don't notice that , SO he was first jew to be born a jew , whose parent were jews !!!! this is joke

 

[Avi1001]

Salam/Shalom/hi to all

I have an opinion , Irahim/Abraham (pbuh) born Ishmeal (pbuh) from Hajar and Isaac (pbuh) from Sara

Ishmeal (pbuh) came first, then Isaac (pbuh) came . so the Arab race came first then the Jew ,

Are you arguing that because Ismael came first...the Arab race is superior??

Isn't this essentially...I can p#ss farther than you..??....!!!

How about...since they both came from Abraham...they should work together...for peace..??

 

[Godobeyer]

Are you arguing that because Ismael came first...the Arab race is superior??

Isn't this essentially...I can p#ss farther than you..??....!!!

How about...since they both came from Abraham...they should work together"...for peace..??

No , I don't mean who is superior .

I do agree with you , that we should work together for peace .

 

[Godobeyer]

it's seems that my sources are contradiction each other , maybe because there is different views ,in Judiasm and Christianity

 

[Avi1001]

No , I don't mean who is superior .

I do agree with you , that we should work together for peace .

That's great...perhaps than you can go through each of your posts...in this thread.....starting with the title of the thread and revise them...so they are not focused on racial superiority.

It seems that my sources are contradicting each other, maybe because there are different views, in Judiasm and Christianity

Now there's an understatement...

 

[Godobeyer]

That's great...perhaps than you can go through each of your posts...in this thread.....starting with the title of the thread and revise them...so they are not focused on racial superiority.

I said again i never mean who superior .

do you mean when i used the word "comes first " i mean by it's " born first" !!!!

my point is Arabs and Jews are same roots , but in zooming/detail in small familly (Abraham(pbuh)Sara(pbuh)Hajar(pbuh)Isaac(pbuh)Ishmeal(pbuh) ) , since Ishmael (pbuh) came first, so the Arabs came/born first ." to life" .

Now there's an understatement...

understatement !!!!, how about "confession" , you must be kidding right ?
I said i used Christians and Jewish sources , they had different view !

 

[metis]

What's in a name?

 

[Levite]

It's interesting that a polemic against primogeniture runs as a subtext throughout the Tanakh.

This has been, without question, the most relevant, intelligent, and on-point post in this whole thread.