Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?

[Subhankar Zac]

Perhaps that's true.

 

[Greatest I am]

This is, among other things, a large odoriferous pile of dung.

Really?

Not to this Rabbi and all who have a thought of this issue.

Starting at the 15 min mark will save you some time.

Regards
DL

 

[Tumah]

Really?

Not to this Rabbi and all who have a thought of this issue.

Starting at the 15 min mark will save you some time.

Regards
DL

Yes, lets take a Messianic Jew's words for it. Because he totally has nothing to gain by taking that position...

Very knowledgeable. "Going back in an unbroken chain all the way back to the Pharisees of the 1st century."

The original line of succession seems to have died out in the 4th or 5th centuries. The Geonim, early medieval Jewish sages of Babylon, did not possess semikhah, and did not use the title "rabbi"
-People who have a thought on this issue.
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Thanks, but I think I'll take my knowledge of Judaism from Jewish sources instead.

 

[Greatest I am]

I guess your OP should be: how do you define idol-worship.

I gave my definition. You can accept it or reject it.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

In a semantical way, perhaps. But with monotheism, it would be about not placing any other 'idols' before the (one) true God.

I find it abundantly silly to suggest believers have no real, personal knowledge or experience of (their) God. While that is conceivably accurate for some believers, to suggest it is true for all strikes me as lacking understanding of that God. I find it impossible to not have knowledge/experience of God, being Creator of existence/Reality, all selves, and (unconditional) Love.

A meditation or contemplation could, rather easily, take God(s) off the proverbial mental pedestal and allow believer to connect in a way that isn't about erecting a barrier between believer and psychological / spiritual experience.

If theists have direct knowledge of God, they are sure silent about it.

Especially Christians who would then be true believers as Jesus said that any such believer could do all he did and more.

The Christians you are talking about are not doing so and would if they could. All good people would.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Perhaps that's true.

Thanks.

I have yet to see a reply to refute it.

Regards
DL

 

[Tumah]

I gave my definition. You can accept it or reject it.

Regards
DL

Edit: I don't see any definition here of idolatry.

 

[Greatest I am]

Yes, lets take a Messianic Jew's words for it. Because he totally has nothing to gain by taking that position...

Very knowledgeable. "Going back in an unbroken chain all the way back to the Pharisees of the 1st century."

The original line of succession seems to have died out in the 4th or 5th centuries. The Geonim, early medieval Jewish sages of Babylon, did not possess semikhah, and did not use the title "rabbi"
-People who have a thought on this issue.
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Thanks, but I think I'll take my knowledge of Judaism from Jewish sources instead.

So humans have nothing to gain from putting reality ahead of fantasy. Ok.

I do not agree.

Regards
DL

 

[dawny0826]

Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?


All believers in God are following an entity that they only know by what other people have said about that God. Few, if any, know their God from apotheosis or first-hand information.


That fact makes whoever that God is, an idol.


It must be so, as what is believed is not a known or real entity. Believers have no real or personal knowledge or experience of their God. All a believer can have is faith in whichever God they are idolizing based on what others have said.


Do you, as a believer, recognize that you are an idol worshiper?


Regards

DL

I disagree with your presumptions. I required evidence of God to accept God as truth. That evidence manifested spiritually. I feel God. I commune with God. I have a relationship with God.

An idol could be an actual deity or a distraction of sorts. A mere distraction doesn't translate to idol worship.

I recognize that I am distracted at times in my faith walk and that I willfully do things at times that distance me from God (and requires refocus/correction on my part).

This does not translate to idol worship or an intentional effort on my part to worship/place another deity above my God. .

 

[Greatest I am]

My "It must be so, as what is believed is not a known or real entity. "

Your.
Do you really believe that?

Of course or I would not have written it.

Do you have evidence to the contrary?

Regards
DL

 

[Tumah]

So humans have nothing to gain from putting reality ahead of fantasy. Ok.

I do not agree.

Regards
DL

Great. So next time, just preface your statements about Judaism with "I believe...". This way others can differentiate between fact and fiction.

 

[Greatest I am]

I disagree with your presumptions. I required evidence of God to accept God as truth. That evidence manifested spiritually. I feel God. I commune with God. I have a relationship with God.

Nice. Ask God why he created the images and abominations shown in this clip.

Let us know what your God replies.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Great. So next time, just preface your statements about Judaism with "I believe...". This way others can differentiate between fact and fiction.

That Rabbi was giving facts. Ignore them all you like, but without refuting his words, all you do is look the fool.

Regards
DL

 

[dawny0826]

Nice. Ask God why he created the images and abominations shown in this clip.

Let us know what your God replies.

Regards
DL

God never promised that our lives would be free from trials or despair.

Biological error or malady are responsible for the images in the video.

Explain how your video relates to my post.

 

[Tumah]

That Rabbi was giving facts. Ignore them all you like, but without refuting his words, all you do is look the fool.

Regards
DL

He was definitely not giving facts. Considering that I study Talmud daily for hours a day, and the man in your video is a Messianic, I'm pretty sure I'm quite a bit more qualified to make statements about what the Rabbis of my own religion do.
Considering your man is making the statement, he needs to back it up with some proof. I can't bring proof of the rabbis not overriding Biblical law, because that's impossible. You can't bring evidence of an absence.
Any serious student of the Talmud knows that the rabbis only override Biblical Law due to other Biblical Laws and not on their own volition. The man in your video, needs an excuse to argue that Jesus could override Biblical Law, so he fabricated this concept.

 

[Brickjectivity]

That Rabbi was giving facts. Ignore them all you like, but without refuting his words, all you do is look the fool.

Regards
DL

Come on that isn't fair. The video is over 2 hours long and has misunderstandings about Pharisees, perhaps many. Post your information in text or nobody is responsible to refute it.

 

[Brickjectivity]

He was definitely not giving facts. Considering that I study Talmud daily for hours a day, and the man in your video is a Messianic,

Correction: the man in the video says he's not messianic but Karaite. He says it before the 15 minute mark and he denies being a follower of Jesus.

 

[Tumah]

Correction: the man in the video says he's not messianic but Karaite. He says it before the 15 minute mark and he denies being a follower of Jesus.

My mistake.
Usually, its the Messianics that dress like Orthodox Jews (as this man did) in order to appear more Jewish to prospective prey.

Although rejecting the Oral Torah as a Karaite, I would expect him to have even less of an idea about what's actually going on.

 

[Brickjectivity]

My mistake.
Usually, its the Messianics that dress like Orthodox Jews (as this man did) in order to appear more Jewish to prospective prey.

Although rejecting the Oral Torah as a Karaite, I would expect him to have even less of an idea about what's actually going on.

I'm watching the video so I can point out the errors in your tradition myself. I'm not going to let somebody with a video have all the fame.

 

[Subhankar Zac]

Thanks.

I have yet to see a reply to refute it.

Regards
DL

Not that there is anything wring in that but is necessary.