Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?

[metis]

The way I use language, left wing is progressive and liberal and the right wing is more fundamental and resist change.

I note that these days, many seem to have reversed the right and lift.

Regards
DL

And that's the way I'm using it as well. Orthodox Jews more emphasize the Talmud than do Reform Jews, for example, and the latter is definitely more liberal.

 

[Greatest I am]

What you are saying lacks any basis. We don't need to play guessing games. We have plenty of available material describing how the Rabbis derived Laws and interpreted the Tanach. There is no evidence that the Rabbis ever considered overriding Biblical Law on their own volition. Even a prophet is not allowed to override a Biblical prohibition permanently or create a new Biblical Law. Let alone the Rabbis. Your claims are empty and self-serving. And you have yet to bring any real evidence except "this is what Jesus did". Which has got to be the worst possible evidence ever.

In post 42 I linked to a Rabbi who gave the fact that a Rabbi could overrule God as written up in the Tanach.

More I should need not do.

Jesus also asked, have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?

Seems you have.

This is not a surprise though as your various sects have different beliefs.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

And that's the way I'm using it as well. Orthodox Jews more emphasize the Talmud than do Reform Jews, for example, and the latter is definitely more liberal.

Seems we are on the same page then in spite of your previous post. Sweet.

Regards
DL

 

[dawny0826]

Yes it does.

As above so below.

Would the love you have for mankind allow you to do nothing but watch such abominations grow? Love would force you to act, --- would it not?

The little bit of love I have would.

I see though that you see God as the God of the Gap which is where those who recognize evolution at work have put God. That is your faith and a position taken without any evidence at all.

Regards
DL

Are you familiar with the poem Footprints in the Sand?

This is how I perceive God's love during really hard times in our lives.

http://www.onlythebible.com/Poems/Footprints-in-the-Sand-Poem.html

As stated, ****, horrible **** happens to include the loss of innocent children to illness or defect. Pain and suffering might be a necessary process to undergo as part of a larger plan and purpose for our lives.

I've experienced this personally on numerous accounts. That's the only evidence that I've needed. God has been faithful and has fulfilled HIs promises to me. But, that doesn't mean that I live without pain and suffering. Think what you will about God. You've the right to interpret God in any way you wish as do I .

 

[Tumah]

In post 42 I linked to a Rabbi who gave the fact that a Rabbi could overrule God as written up in the Tanach.

More I should need not do.

A karaite rabbi...
And yes, you should bring proofs not appeals to (bad) authority.

Jesus also asked, have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?

Seems you have.

Jesus said a lot of stupid things.

This is not a surprise though as your various sects have different beliefs.

Regards
DL

Then you should clarify which sects rabbis believe as you've stated, because it definitely isn't the Pharisaical sect.

 

[Brickjectivity]

That was fun. I want to hear more about all the sex. So Jews have lots of sex all the time? No wonder so many people convert.

 

[Greatest I am]

Are you familiar with the poem Footprints in the Sand?

This is how I perceive God's love during really hard times in our lives.

http://www.onlythebible.com/Poems/Footprints-in-the-Sand-Poem.html

As stated, ****, horrible **** happens to include the loss of innocent children to illness or defect. Pain and suffering might be a necessary process to undergo as part of a larger plan and purpose for our lives.

I've experienced this personally on numerous accounts. That's the only evidence that I've needed. God has been faithful and has fulfilled HIs promises to me. But, that doesn't mean that I live without pain and suffering. Think what you will about God. You've the right to interpret God in any way you wish as do I .

Thanks for ignoring the question and trying to deflect from it.

That gives me the answer that lurkers should see.

Regards
DL

 

[The_Fisher_King]

All believers in God are following an entity that they only know by what other people have said about that God. Few, if any, know their God from apotheosis or first-hand information.

It must be so, as what is believed is not a known or real entity. Believers have no real or personal knowledge or experience of their God. All a believer can have is faith in whichever God they are idolizing based on what others have said.

Do you, as a believer, recognize that you are an idol worshiper?

You seem to be suggesting that a believer is an idol worshipper because they are idolising God based on what others have said (rather than first-hand information). If that is what you are saying, then I am not an idol worshipper. I consider myself a believer in God. But my knowledge of God comes from my conversations with God, rather than what other people have said about God.

 

[dawny0826]

Thanks for ignoring the question and trying to deflect from it.

That gives me the answer that lurkers should see.

Regards
DL

I'm sure lurkers are unimpressed with both of us, considering that our discussion isn't relevant to the OP at all.

If you want to start another thread, I'll attempt to better address your questions.

 

[Greatest I am]

You seem to be suggesting that a believer is an idol worshipper because they are idolising God based on what others have said (rather than first-hand information). If that is what you are saying, then I am not an idol worshipper. I consider myself a believer in God. But my knowledge of God comes from my conversations with God, rather than what other people have said about God.

Good. That would make you a true believer.

Jesus said that true believers could do what he did and more.

Millions of children starve and die from other preventable cause yearly. A Jesus type would end that death.

What are you waiting for?

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

I'm sure lurkers are unimpressed with both of us, considering that our discussion isn't relevant to the OP at all.

If you want to start another thread, I'll attempt to better address your questions.

Do it here so I can see if a new O.P. is worth whatever you put.

Regards
DL

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Good. That would make you a true believer.

Jesus said that true believers could do what he did and more.

Millions of children starve and die from other preventable cause yearly. A Jesus type would end that death.

What are you waiting for?

Regards
DL

What did Jesus do, in your opinion?

 

[Greatest I am]

What did Jesus do, in your opinion?

In my opinion, there may not have been a Jesus as portrayed in scriptures.

We Gnostic Christians view Jesus as an archetypal good man and mystic but that is all. There is nothing in Gnostic Christianity that shows a belief in the supernatural. In fact, we think it a cop out to hide a theology behind the supernatural.

That is not the case with Christianity and it is to believing Christians to believe what Jesus said about doing as he did.

Regards
DL

 

[gnostic]

An idol is an image that is worshipped, like a statue. Therefore, your premise is flawed.

Not necessarily.

An idol don't have to be an image. It could be a book, eg scriptures.

Or it could be a person, eg when Christians viewed and believed Jesus to be god. Though this may be called "hero worship". But essentially, hero worship is idol-worship.

Instead of attempting to define what an idol is, trying looking up definition for "worship".

Worship is excessive devotion to anyone or anything, or even any place, eg holy sites or holy cities, like Jerusalem or Mecca. The annual pilgrimage to Mecca, showed that the Muslims are still idol-worshippers of place - the Kaaba (the House of Allah) - which supposedly is the house built by Abraham and Ishmael.

If God or Allah is a spirit and reside in heaven, why would God even need a house?

 

[gnostic]

We Gnostic Christians view Jesus as an archetypal good man and mystic but that is all. There is nothing in Gnostic Christianity that shows a belief in the supernatural. In fact, we think it a cop out to hide a theology behind the supernatural.

I thought Jesus was incarnation of the 3rd perfect Aeon, known as Autogenes or Christ, according to the Apocryphron of John?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

In my opinion, there may not have been a Jesus as portrayed in scriptures.

We Gnostic Christians view Jesus as an archetypal good man and mystic but that is all. There is nothing in Gnostic Christianity that shows a belief in the supernatural. In fact, we think it a cop out to hide a theology behind the supernatural.

That is not the case with Christianity and it is to believing Christians to believe what Jesus said about doing as he did.

Regards
DL

You said:

Jesus said that true believers could do what he did and more.

So, what kinds of things do you believe Jesus could do that true believers could also do?

 

[psychoslice]

I feel that if we have an image of what we call god in our heads, then yes we are idol worshipers.

 

[dawny0826]

Do it here so I can see if a new O.P. is worth whatever you put.

Regards
DL

Nope.

 

[roger1440]

One really can't know if Jesus being referred to as "rabbi" is being used just in reference to him being a teacher or more in the the context of a more formal reference in regards to being more formally trained in one of the Pharisee schools. To me, the latter seems less likely.

The message of the gospels may be that Jesus is answering from a higher authority. The words "professor" and "prophet" are closely related in Greek and Latin.

 

[JesusBeliever]

Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?


All believers in God are following an entity that they only know by what other people have said about that God. Few, if any, know their God from apotheosis or first-hand information.


That fact makes whoever that God is, an idol.


It must be so, as what is believed is not a known or real entity. Believers have no real or personal knowledge or experience of their God. All a believer can have is faith in whichever God they are idolizing based on what others have said.


Do you, as a believer, recognize that you are an idol worshiper?


Regards

DL

Hi DL, What about the "Few" that you mentioned? Do they not count or do you regard them as idol-worshipers too?