Are all Religions the Same ?- Dr. David Frawley

[stanberger]

no not the same. the Bible god is virulent violent god. unlike the god of islam. who does not murder infants in cribs of Egypt [passover]

 

[DharmaCatLamp]

I'm not big on religious people who like to call themselves 'Dr'.

Honestly I feel the same way. I think the talk is interesting but there is something about people who add titles like 'Dr' to things that almost immediately seems fishy to me.

 

[Trailblazer]

no not the same. the Bible god is virulent violent god. unlike the god of islam. who does not murder infants in cribs of Egypt [passover]

It is the same God, since there is only one true God, but the God depicted in the Old Testament is is an anthropomorphism of God, not God.

By contrast, the God of Islam is an accurate depiction of the one true God.

 

[Windwalker]

Well, the goal the Hindu traditions are to alter neurologic pathways or brain chemistry, to induce a sort of seizure altering one's individual perception of "reality." Any gods or rituals are just aids to this goal.

The Buddhist tradition has a similar ultimate goal, but is more a psychotherapeutic modality, focused on mental health issues.

The Ancient Greek gods were like humans with superpowers, mostly concerned with their own affairs and squabbles. They'd occasionally become annoyed with something humans did, or pleased or amused. They'd occasionally interact, but we and our affairs weren't their primary interest.

So yes, they all have the same goal, just different methods, or overlapping methods.

 

[firedragon]

Howdy.
I was browsing youtube looking for different content related to Dharma and came across this video. I thought it was pretty interesting and might be something worth sharing. What do you guys think about the content of the video?

Is he really saying they are all the same? It seems like he is saying there are differences, but dont judge them because there are fingers pointing at yourself.

 

[DharmaCatLamp]

Is he really saying they are all the same? It seems like he is saying there are differences, but dont judge them because there are fingers pointing at yourself.

I don't even really think he is saying that. In all honesty it kind of sounds like he is saying Abrahamic traditions and Dharmic traditions are completely different. It also kind of sounds like he keeps sort of putting down Christianity and Islam.

 

[rational experiences]

Wrong question. Is all human's science thesis the same.

Religious ceremony is ceremony. Cultural DNA not the same. Ceremony is choice. Science was agreed.

 

[sayak83]

Well, the goal the Hindu traditions are to alter neurologic pathways or brain chemistry, to induce a sort of seizure altering one's individual perception of "reality." Any gods or rituals are just aids to this goal.

The Buddhist tradition has a similar ultimate goal, but is more a psychotherapeutic modality, focused on mental health issues.

The Ancient Greek gods were like humans with superpowers, mostly concerned with their own affairs and squabbles. They'd occasionally become annoyed with something humans did, or pleased or amused. They'd occasionally interact, but we and our affairs weren't their primary interest.

What you say the goal is this or that of Hindu or Buddhist tradition, can you justify those claims with evidence? Why do you call it a seizure?

 

[DharmaCatLamp]

So yes, they all have the same goal, just different methods, or overlapping methods.

If I am honest this sounds like a bit of an over simplification.

Well, the goal the Hindu traditions are to alter neurologic pathways or brain chemistry, to induce a sort of seizure altering one's individual perception of "reality." Any gods or rituals are just aids to this goal.

The Buddhist tradition has a similar ultimate goal, but is more a psychotherapeutic modality, focused on mental health issues.

The Ancient Greek gods were like humans with superpowers, mostly concerned with their own affairs and squabbles. They'd occasionally become annoyed with something humans did, or pleased or amused. They'd occasionally interact, but we and our affairs weren't their primary interest.

I would say this is a gross oversimplification of what Buddhism and Hinduism teach. You have myriad paths within Hinduism alone which would say this idea is fairly nonsensical. Early Vedic traditions would hold to a view that is almost spiritual materialism in a sense where your main goal is to do rituals properly to gain benefits. Mimamsa vs something like Vedanta may as well be different religions with different goals as an example.

 

[DharmaCatLamp]

What you say the goal is this or that of Hindu or Buddhist tradition, can you justify those claims with evidence? Why do you call it a seizure?

I'd almost go so far as to say that claiming Hinduism or Buddhism have one goal for their traditions doesn't really make a whole lot of sense once you consider these are diverse traditions in and of themselves.

 

[rational experiences]

A spiritual natural human owns no use of any humans scientific thesis.

We live knowing you care for maintained life balances only.

So doesn't need science at all.

Is supposed to be the natural humans realisation as a religious purpose.

To be successful as a spiritual human.

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

Now, cults, on the other hand, are different and silly.

I always perceived the words cult, religion, faith, and church to have the same meaning. The only difference being the negative connotation 'cult' had juxtaposed to 'religion'.

Anecdotal experience: When my grandfather died, the freemason lodge in which he belonged held the wake for his passing... Out of the 45min. procession, they spent 15min. to explain how they were not a cult, and worshipped the Christian God, in a manner they believed was originally intended... The reason, I eventually learned, was because one of the family members refused the invite the lodge offered, replying that they would not participate in 'cult' activities. ROFL, what turds... not exactly respectful of the deceased if you ask me, and not the best method to shed the perception of being a cult... Frickin' cult.

 

[KWED]

LOL! I look at it the other way round. A PhD is a man of ideas; a physician, a practitioner of a trade.

A few of the PhDs that I work with are not men of ideas. Rather the opposite. They are obsessively focused on a single idea to the exclusion of all others (not necessarily a bad thing, but it doesn't make them much fun at parties!).

But as this thread has illustrated, you can pretty much buy a "doctorate" in any old nonsense, and then call yourself "Dr..."

 

[firedragon]

I don't even really think he is saying that. In all honesty it kind of sounds like he is saying Abrahamic traditions and Dharmic traditions are completely different. It also kind of sounds like he keeps sort of putting down Christianity and Islam.

I think you are right. Though he does include Dharmic religions into it a bit.

I dont really know how this is saying all religions are the same. Hmm.

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

At the 24 minute mark he states the claim that in science Gravity is found to be true on one level (general relativity I would assume) but not true on another level (quantum physics assumedly), but I don't think that's how it works.

Could someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't we in the process of determining a formulae that doesn't break down between the two fields of science? I was pretty sure that our leaders in these fields were frustratedly and diligently working to discover why observations of gravity aren't as accurate of prediction on the tiny scale...

 

[rational experiences]

At the 24 minute mark he states the claim that in science Gravity is found to be true on one level (general relativity I would assume) but not true on another level (quantum physics assumedly), but I don't think that's how it works.

Could someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't we in the process of determining a formulae that doesn't break down between the two fields of science? I was pretty sure that our leaders in these fields were frustratedly and diligently working to discover why observations of gravity aren't as accurate of prediction on the tiny scale...

If a human said a cosmic law is gravity it means every status owned as itself is affected by it. A law of space supported gravity is itself gravity.

One word meant one answer first. Then you gave a lot of men human explanations why you believed in it.

As your words don't own creation nor did words create creation.

A human said they understood created creation as a conversion not as presence.

Why you used human word methodology egotistically.

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

If a human said a cosmic law is gravity it means every status owned as itself is affected by it. A law of space supported gravity is itself gravity.

One word meant one answer first. Then you gave a lot of men human explanations why you believed in it.

As your words don't own creation nor did words create creation.

A human said they understood created creation as a conversion not as presence.

Why you used human word methodology egotistically.

The 'dr' in the video initiated the domain/realm in which one would be lead to respond within: "In science" if he meant metaphorically, perhaps the words "in science" should have been excluded.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I may watch the video later. But the notion of religions being the same strikes me as silly.

All rivers may empty to the sea, but the are most certainly not the same river.

All rivers come forth from the rains that fall from the same heavens, different times, different places, thus seen as the Word of God flowing from the different Messengers and all flow into the ocean to become the ocean of God's Word.

"The rivers of divine wisdom and utterance which flowed through the Tablets of God are joined to this Most Great Ocean, could ye but perceive it, and whatever hath been set forth in His Books hath attained its final consummation in this most exalted Word — a Word shining above the horizon of the Will of the All-Glorious in this Revelation which hath filled with delight all things seen and unseen." – Baha’u’llah, The Summons of the Lord of Hosts.

Regards Tony

 

[rational experiences]

The theme civilisation by design was built first. Great houses for egotists.

Then men wanted invented powers for trade science.

Men were named as lords.

You didn't own earth planet or the seas.

A teacher said greedy men took from earth and what earth owned no man had owned.

Caused all problems which you ignore.

Not a sea either. Just a human man.

The Lord gets himself by civilisation trade invention life sacrificed. The story depicted civilisation for a reason.

Lord the topic subject as natural man began life in human family equal and wasn't any lord.

Which you keep.ignoring as you state title as you self idolised.

When your not science you aren't mass.

Earth products. Gases. Water. Oxygen.

You use science. I use water to live. I use oxygen to live. I live inside of science the water heavens portion.

I'm not nor ever can I be science as the converted it to convert. I am only attacked sacrificed said the lords teaching.

Why lords rich men were meant to uphold the human claim no man was God. As we aren't science.

Was exact human theist of sciences.

 

[DharmaCatLamp]

I think you are right. Though he does include Dharmic religions into it a bit.

I dont really know how this is saying all religions are the same. Hmm.

I don't think he is. I think the point of the video is actually him saying that isn't true and is in fact a superficial view of the situation lol