Are Americans disposed to fight a war against Russia?

[mikkel_the_dane]

They also had this need to produce quality and not quantity as it applies to their weapons..... 1 Tiger tank may easily defeat a Sherman.... but it can't defeat several Shermans

And then add a Firefly.

 

[Estro Felino]

That's your evidence?

Liz Cheney supported Harris over the President she voted to impeach?
From that you've ascertained that Democrats want to send ground troops into Russia? What?

A very reliable source told me that it wasn't dems who hired Crooks to eliminate Trump.
If it wasn't dems...I wonder who did it...

If it's not left, it's right.

 

[SkepticThinker]

A very reliable source told me that it wasn't dems who hired Crooks to eliminate Trump.

It wasn't. Some stupid kid tried to kill him. And failed.

If it wasn't dems...I wonder who did it...

It was some stupid kid.

I'd ask what evidence you have that the "dems" had something to do with it, but I already know you don't have any and you've just pulled that out of your backside.

If it's not left, it's right.

Sorry, why have you changed the subject?

This was all in response to, "That's your evidence? Liz Cheney supported Harris over the President she voted to impeach?
From that you've ascertained that Democrats want to send ground troops into Russia? What?"

 

[Stevicus]

No, they were out produced. Numbers by themselves are no guarantee of anything in war.

If that was the case 100 soldiers with rifles would win against 10 in a tank and IFV for the relevant terrain.

In war, terrain, initiative, logics, technology and manpower counts. But you need more than just manpower.

I would also attribute some of it as having a greater will to win if one is defending their lives, families, and homes on their own soil, as opposed to someone from the opposite side who is on foreign soil and attacking targets unknown to them. If they don't know why they're fighting, their heart may not be in it.

 

[Estro Felino]

It wasn't. Some stupid kid tried to kill him. And failed.

It was some stupid kid.

I'd ask what evidence you have that the "dems" had something to do with it, but I already know you don't have any and you've just pulled that out of your backside.

Sorry, why have you changed the subject?

This was all in response to, "That's your evidence? Liz Cheney supported Harris over the President she voted to impeach?
From that you've ascertained that Democrats want to send ground troops into Russia? What?"

Whatever...a kid from the right-wing.
So...no dems.

 

[Kathryn]

Russians​

Song by​

Sting
In Europe and America
There's a growing feeling of hysteria
Conditioned to respond to all the threats
In the rhetorical speeches of the Soviets
Mr. Khrushchev said, "We will bury you"
I don't subscribe to this point of view
It would be such an ignorant thing to do
If the Russians love their children too
How can I save my little boy
From Oppenheimer's deadly toy?
There is no monopoly in common sense
On either side of the political fence
We share the same biology
Regardless of ideology
Believe me when I say to you
I hope the Russians love their children too
There is no historical precedent
To put the words in the mouth of the President
There's no such thing as a winnable war
It's a lie we don't believe anymore
Mr. Reagan says, "We will protect you"
I don't subscribe to this point of view
Believe me when I say to you
I hope the Russians love their children too
We share the same biology
Regardless of ideology
What might save us, me and you
Is if the Russians love their children too.

 

[Estro Felino]

I would also attribute some of it as having a greater will to win if one is defending their lives, families, and homes on their own soil, as opposed to someone from the opposite side who is on foreign soil and attacking targets unknown to them. If they don't know why they're fighting, their heart may not be in it.

There are the historical documents that prove that the Nazis said that the war would be a matter of months...and then there would be a treaty of peace.
They were just big liars. They broke the Pact with Russia and invaded.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I would also attribute some of it as having a greater will to win if one is defending their lives, families, and homes on their own soil, as opposed to someone from the opposite side who is on foreign soil and attacking targets unknown to them. If they don't know why they're fighting, their heart may not be in it.

Yeah, there is also that, but it won't win wars on its own. It is a multifactor process in regards to civilized warfare.

 

[Stevicus]

They also had this need to produce quality and not quantity as it applies to their weapons..... 1 Tiger tank may easily defeat a Sherman.... but it can't defeat several Shermans

Or a swarm of T-34s.

But that is a good point. Those Tiger tanks were gas guzzlers. Can't run a mechanized military without gas. But it wouldn't have mattered in the long run, since the Allies had overwhelming air superiority towards the end of the war. Control of the skies is paramount.

But now, the next step seems to be control of space.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Or a swarm of T-34s.

But that is a good point. Those Tiger tanks were gas guzzlers. Can't run a mechanized military without gas. But it wouldn't have mattered in the long run, since the Allies had overwhelming air superiority towards the end of the war. Control of the skies is paramount.

But now, the next step seems to be control of space.

You might give this a look for relevant videos if you don't know the channel already. There is also something about space war.

Perun

An Australian covering the military industrial complex and national military investment strategy. Since the outbreak of the conflict in Ukraine, I've been covering lessons from the conflict and how they may inform the future investment decisions that other nations may or should make. Gaming is...

www.youtube.com

 

[Stevicus]

Yeah, there is also that, but it won't win wars on its own. It is a multifactor process in regards to civilized warfare.

Of course, although I can't help but wonder about the idea of "civilized warfare." War is just an extension of human politics in times when politics can no longer be "civilized." As long as "civilized" politicians can maintain positive control, then there's the hope that if war does unfortunately break out, cooler heads will ultimately prevail and stop it before it gets out of hand. At least, we can hope for that, and there have been many moments in history where things could have gotten out of hand, but didn't.

But when the politicians turn "uncivilized" and downright crazy, well, then, you've got a real problem on your hands.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Whatever...a kid from the right-wing.
So...no dems.

So, to be clear, you don't have any actual evidence that the Democrats want to put American troops on the ground in Ukraine/Russia.

 

[Kathryn]

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[TagliatelliMonster]

I don't care who wins.

Well, we do care who wins: the aggressors or the victims.

I just want this war to terminate. But the only way is negotiations. Not war.

They tried negotiations at the start of the war.
Putin tried to poison the Ukrainian delegation.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Ukraine cannot win against Russia.
It's ridiculous.

Is it? Russia invaded with the intention of taking over the entire country in a matter of days; weeks at most.
We are 2 years further now and Russia didn't even manage to take half of the country. In fact, they are even losing own territory now.

It doesn't seem so ridiculous to me.
At least you have to admit that they are putting up one hell of a fight...

Let me understand: so you want this war to continue, until Russia is defeated?

Depends what you mean by "defeated".

I want the war to end, obviously.
Just like the vast majority in 1942 would have wanted the war to end.
But not at any cost... Not by bending the knee to an invading bully.

Some things are worth fighting for, no matter how horrible the fighting may be.

 

[Estro Felino]

Is it? Russia invaded with the intention of taking over the entire country in a matter of days; weeks at most.
We are 2 years further now and Russia didn't even manage to take half of the country. In fact, they are even losing own territory now.

It doesn't seem so ridiculous to me.
At least you have to admit that they are putting up one hell of a fight...


Depends what you mean by "defeated".

I want the war to end, obviously.
Just like the vast majority in 1942 would have wanted the war to end.
But not at any cost... Not by bending the knee to an invading bully.

Some things are worth fighting for, no matter how horrible the fighting may be.

Sooner or later Ukrainians will all die in the war.
So....with what soldiers will the comedian Zely intend to fight this war?

 

[Estro Felino]

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The funny thing is that young and vital president believes Europeans will go to the steppe to fight that stupid war...
which is a proxy war against Russia.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Math is logic.
Russian population: 144, 2 million.
Ukrainian population: 38 million.

I guess that you don't need to be a genius to understand that it's impossible that Ukrainians win.
They are outnumbered.

War is not a simple game of adding up bodies.

1 elite well-trained, well-equipped soldier will easily wipe the floor vs 50 untrained, under equipped fruitcakes.

 

[Estro Felino]

So, to be clear, you don't have any actual evidence that the Democrats want to put American troops on the ground in Ukraine/Russia.

I am right often.
I remember that many years ago people here used to laugh at me, just because I was telling that Nationalists would take over in many European countries.
The threads are still there. They said I was a visionary.

 

[SkepticThinker]

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"If Putin takes Ukraine, he won't stop there," Biden warned.
And then, "We'll have something that we don't seek and that we don't have today: American troops fighting Russian troops," Biden said evenly."




And you've interpreted that as Biden wanting to put troops on the ground in Russia because .... ?