Are Americans disposed to fight a war against Russia?

[Kathryn]

"If Putin takes Ukraine, he won't stop there," Biden warned.
And then, "We'll have something that we don't seek and that we don't have today: American troops fighting Russian troops," Biden said evenly."




And you've interpreted that as Biden wanting to put troops on the ground in Russia because .... ?

Nope, and I've never made that accusation.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I am right often.

Another claim not in evidence.

I remember that many years ago people here used to laugh at me, just because I was telling that Nationalists would take over in many European countries.
The threads are still there. They said I was a visionary.

This was in response to, "So, to be clear, you don't have any actual evidence that the Democrats want to put American troops on the ground in Ukraine/Russia."



So what you're saying is, you don't have any evidence but you've been right before so you must be right this time?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Nope, and I've never made that accusation.

I'm curious why you posted the article then, in a thread where that is the topic of discussion.

 

[Estro Felino]

Another claim not in evidence.



This was in response to, "So, to be clear, you don't have any actual evidence that the Democrats want to put American troops on the ground in Ukraine/Russia."



So what you're saying is, you don't have any evidence but you've been right before so you must be right this time?

No...I just said that I may be right because I am often right.
As I may be wrong.
This is English. Not Klingon.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Of course, although I can't help but wonder about the idea of "civilized warfare." War is just an extension of human politics in times when politics can no longer be "civilized." As long as "civilized" politicians can maintain positive control, then there's the hope that if war does unfortunately break out, cooler heads will ultimately prevail and stop it before it gets out of hand. At least, we can hope for that, and there have been many moments in history where things could have gotten out of hand, but didn't.

But when the politicians turn "uncivilized" and downright crazy, well, then, you've got a real problem on your hands.

Well, yes. But civilized also has a technical meaning for warfare. It is not about the morality or politics, but what form of warfare is possible.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well, yes. But civilized also has a technical meaning for warfare. It is not about the morality or politics, but what form of warfare is possible.

But I thought we Europeans had evolved from the warlike stage...
so speaking of war is not only monstrous but it's deeply offensive to our civilization and 80 years of diplomatic work.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

But I thought we Europeans had evolved from the warlike stage...
so speaking of war is not only monstrous but it's deeply offensive to our civilization and 80 years of diplomatic work.

I am speaking in technical terms as for the process of war including technology, logistics and so on.
And no, you are not Europe and neither am I.

 

[Estro Felino]

I am speaking in technical terms as for the process of war including technology, logistics and so on.

May I know why you're such an expert?

And no, you are not Europe and neither am I.

The EU is based upon common values.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

But I thought we Europeans had evolved from the warlike stage...
so speaking of war is not only monstrous but it's deeply offensive to our civilization and 80 years of diplomatic work.

Take 2 - Russia is a part of Europa and have been involved in some form or other in 6 wars since the WWII.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

May I know why you're such an expert?

I am a former professional soldier.

The EU is based upon common values.

The EU is not Europe.

 

[Estro Felino]

Take 2 - Russia is a part of Europa and have been involved in some form or other in 6 wars since the WWII.

I mean EU.

 

[Estro Felino]

I am a former professional soldier.

Interesting.

The EU is not Europe.

Whenever I speak of Europe, I mean EU.
I mean Denmark can also exit...if they don't like this EU. Norway and Britain are not in the EU.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I mean EU.

Yeah, that is not Europe.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Interesting.

Whenever I speak of Europe, I mean EU.
I mean Denmark can also exit...if they don't like this EU. Norway and Britain are not in the EU.

Yeah, that is not correct to speak of Europe as only the EU. You should know that!!!

 

[Wu Wei]

Or a swarm of T-34s.

But that is a good point. Those Tiger tanks were gas guzzlers. Can't run a mechanized military without gas. But it wouldn't have mattered in the long run, since the Allies had overwhelming air superiority towards the end of the war. Control of the skies is paramount.

But now, the next step seems to be control of space.

Same thing can be said for their planes, well built, but to to long and to many resources to build. Imagine what the battle of Britain or the Air superiority situation would have been if they had the Messerschmitt Me 262 sooner than later

 

[Estro Felino]

Yeah, that is not Europe.

From now on, I will specify, so you won't get confused.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yeah, that is not correct to speak of Europe as only the EU. You should know that!!!

One question: would you like your country to exit the EU?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

From now on, I will specify, so you won't get confused.

Thanks, that is good, civilized manners.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

One question: would you like your country to exit the EU?

No.

 

[Estro Felino]

No.

Why not?