Are Atheists just close minded Agnostics?

[riley2112]

While this thread was not supposed to be about Theists, I have readly admitted I am just as closed minded if not more.

My position is, both Theists and Atheists have the same degree of open mindedness and logically Agnostics hold the monopoly on open mindedness.

You have made a good attempt of talking about atheist and agnostics, But this thread proves one other thing, it is very difficult to talk about atheist and agnostics and not talk about theists also. They seem to connect with each other sooner or later.

 

[Panda]

While this thread was not supposed to be about Theists, I have readly admitted I am just as closed minded if not more.

My position is, both Theists and Atheists have the same degree of open mindedness and logically Agnostics hold the monopoly on open mindedness.

Fair enough though I just wanted to know what you meant.

My next question would be is it close minded to not believe in everything? If I come up with a concept, believe or theory that can not be supported is everyone who disagrees with it close minded?

 

[Reverend Rick]

Fair enough though I just wanted to know what you meant.

My next question would be is it close minded to not believe in everything? If I come up with a concept, believe or theory that can not be supported is everyone who disagrees with it close minded?

No

Close minded to me is a person who has made their mind up about something and most likely will not be changing their mind any time soon.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

No

Close minded to me is a person who has made their mind up about something and most likely will not be changing their mind any time soon.

So are you closed minded about Bigfoot?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Hey, Penguin. Can I ask if you think the same way about Christians, just as an example? Can a person be a Christian and a non-Christian at the same time?

What do "Christian" and "non-Christian" mean in this context?

If "non-Christian" just means "anything and everything other than what's Christian", then no.

... but we get into the issue here that the term "Christian" has multiple meanings.

What about liberal and conservative? Can I be both at once, in your view?

I don't think that individual people are entirely liberal or conservative. I think people hold various positions, and each position can lie somewhere on the liberal/conservative spectrum, but people themselves are a mix of both.

 

[Reverend Rick]

So are you closed minded about Bigfoot?

I'm Agnostic

 

[Tristesse]

I'm Agnostic

So, you don't have a belief about big foot?

 

[Reverend Rick]

So, you don't have a belief about big foot?

None what so ever. I would not be surprised either way. There could be one but most likely not.

 

[gnostic]

So, you don't have a belief about big foot?

I have seen (and believe in) big foot.

Have you seen Ian Thorpe's feet? They are big, and he swim like a fish.

 

[rageoftyrael]

so, you think that he could exist, but probably doesn't? sounds like my belief in god. and i'm an atheist. or am i interpreting your statement wrong?

 

[outhouse]

I think a wild monkey man could be roaming the forest before I would think a invisible sky daddy polytheism handed down to monotheism as a warrior deity based on storms.

does that make me closed minded??

 

[crystalonyx]

Bigfoot cannot possibly exist for a number of logical reasons.

 

[outhouse]

Bigfoot cannot possibly exist for a number of logical reasons.

im not sure about that.

 

[Tristesse]

None what so ever. I would not be surprised either way. There could be one but most likely not.

Most likely not? I thought you said you didn't have a belief either way? How are you determining likelyhoods to the existence of bigfoot, I thought you said you were agnostic. Are you saying that you don't believe bigfoot exist?

 

[Tristesse]

No

Close minded to me is a person who has made their mind up about something and most likely will not be changing their mind any time soon.

Thats not my position and I'm an atheist. So, clearly an atheist can be open minded.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Thats not my position and I'm an atheist. So, clearly an atheist can be open minded.

I guess I am the only one that can admit my closemindedness. This seems to be commonplace now a days.

My daughter denies most everything as well.

Her cell phone got broken. She would never say she broke her cell phone.

Her tires lost traction when she wrecked her car while driving too fast in the rain.

She is normal and so are you.

I could be wrong about you, it is possible you are an exception, but as a rule most Theists and Atheists are close minded no matter if they want to admit it or not.

 

[idav]

....but as a rule most Theists and Atheists are close minded no matter if they want to admit it or not.

I disagree. I think most atheists are open-minded agnostics. Many theists might be close-minded gnostics but most could be really agnostic as well.

 

[Willamena]

I guess I am the only one that can admit my closemindedness. This seems to be commonplace now a days.

Not the only one. The arguments against, though, only reflect that you're also closed-minded about what atheists and agnostics are. An agnostic can be open-minded, but nothing about the concept necessitates it.

Withholding belief isn't agnosticism, it's open-mindedness.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

As for me stopping the questions, I think I will keep asking. If God is truth , then no matter how many questions I ask , at the end of it all God will be there. If not, then He was never true to Begin with. That is my quest and I must know. I only wished I knew why it was so important to me. Because other than that I am a normal guy , married , raising kids, trying to meet the mortgage. But the idea of God seems to burn in my mind. Oh well, it will be what it will be.

An excellent attitude. Sometimes I tell people that they shouldn't fear change or even conversion to another religion. Once we're on the other side, looking back, we will be strong in our beliefs. We'll feel right about whatever conclusions we're reached. It's only when we're on this side, pre-change, that we see a changed future worldview as scary.

It can never be wrong to face hard questions -- so say I. Whatever you believe in the future will be more solid if you've faced the questions.

If it doesn't sound condescending for me to say so, you sound like a budding theologian.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Keeping your faith means to me believing what is true. As Rev. Rick said, we are all seeking the truth. Without the true , nothing is important.

You and Rick and I may think so. But it's my experience that not everyone agrees. Some are just trying to get through life without thinking too hard about it all.