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Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true?

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member

We have no guage if the opposite of a virtue is not available.

Darkness is just an absence of light, darkness is not a source. The same with Love and Hate, hate is just the absence Love.

Thus it is relevant to our capacity of mind in this creation. Free will works within these given parameters.

Big topic, but much can be explored.

Regards Tony
 

ppp

Well-Known Member
God is omnipotent and omniscient and perfect, and God gave man free will to choose between good and evil, so any moral choices humans make are a matter of choice. I don't see any other way to interpret that.

That's right, and It all came out that way.

God saw everything that He had made, and behold, it was very good and He validated it completely. And there was evening and there was morning, a sixth day.
Genesis 1:31 KJV

But God gave humans free will and free will is the fly in the ointment. After humans were created good, God was out of the game. God created humans with a purpose in mind and God revealed what that purpose is through His Messengers, but God allows humans to decide whether they will fulfill that purpose or not.

Apparently you do not understand what omnipotence means. It does not mean God exercises control over everything in creation, it only means that God is all-powerful so God could exercise control if He chose to do so, but God only does what He chooses to do, not everything He is capable of doing.

“Say: O people! Let not this life and its deceits deceive you, for the world and all that is therein is held firmly in the grasp of His Will. He bestoweth His favor on whom He willeth, and from whom He willeth He taketh it away. He doth whatsoever He chooseth.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 209
Telling me your beliefs is no more meaningful than telling me your hallucinations. When you find the courage of your convictions and can advance and support your claims, give me a ring.
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Can that be achieved in one lifetime? Considering some people die very young. And others live in anger their whole lives, it seems that some sort of reincarnation process would work and be needed. Each soul experiences different things in their many lives and eventually learns what love is.

It can be achieved within a blink of the eye, it is a choice, but also a gift.

The Seven Valleys and Four Valleys by Baha'u'llah cover this in our journey in knowing and loving God.

The Valley of Love is worth a read.

The Seven Valleys

Regards Tony
 

ppp

Well-Known Member

rational experiences

Veteran Member
A scientist says I challenge you by subject intent thesis of men. Which changes its thesis for new invention.

Teacher message religious always a man a son of father highest self realisation. By star we are wrong I must tell you why family misbehaving.

Who hears his origin man of science speaking voice Ai when brain gas burnt irradiated his humanity gone.

So I say as a female you told yourself the holy son man was both a criminal theist scientist about gods earth inside bodies and holy man. Natural man.

Why you got life sacrificed. Stephen Haw the king proof mind brain body speaking by machine.

So you tell your brother I am spiritual I won't listen to new thesis my paths of mind are set. I entrained healed my mind by prayer to father.

Everyday since.

So he says don't try to change my mind to think evilly as you do brother. The new inventor destroyer theist.

Rational human behaviour actually.

I am talking to my scientist brother look at why your mind believed in once again nuclear earth life destruction by sky fall. The evil star teaching.

You ignore me as you claim you are highest holiest thinker irrationally.

A theist first.

No one told you to take human thoughts to ideas where it never belonged.

Christ gases earth owned in heavens remain bodily if star had cooled as it doesn't remove earth gas mass. Obviously by Russia hit it had.

The warning a humans mind changes to.old self destructive theisms. Proven that it has by your thesis destroyed pyramid sciences.

Machine blown up on ground equals a sink hole.

Build a machine protected is not the same science answer.
 

ppp

Well-Known Member
Do you believe everything you read on the internet?
Those are not Baha'is. They are just people who call themselves Baha'is. I can call myself a physician but does that make me a physician?

And you are just a person who calls themself Baha'i. You might be a physician and not be Baha'i..All we know about you is what we read on the internet.
 

Tiberius

Well-Known Member
Far be it for me to answer for Policy, but these are my answers to these questions...

Why would God be unworthy?

He allows evil and violence to continue when he could stop it. He created a system in which natural long painful deaths of innocents are not only possible, but rather common.

How would God demonstrate that?

He's God. I'm sure he could figure out a way.

God's goals are for you to care about your fellow humans. God needs nothing for Himself.
Why would an omnipotent/omniscient God have any needs?

So why did he create us?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Then what is the claim?
Baha’u’llah’s Two Bold Claims

All of which leads us back to Baha’u’llah, who made two very bold claims. First, he declared he was God’s messenger for the next one thousand years, having the same divine authority, the same Holy Spirit, the same divine power, as Moses, Christ, Muhammad, and the other founders of the major world religions:

In the East the light of [God’s] Revelation hath broken; in the West have appeared the signs of His dominion. Ponder this in your hearts, O people, and be not of those who have turned a deaf ear to the admonitions of Him Who is the Almighty, the All-Praised. Let the Breeze of God awaken you. Verily, it hath wafted over the world. Well is it with him that hath discovered the fragrance thereof and been accounted among the well-assured. – Baha’u’llah, Tablets of Baha’u’llah.

This station, by itself, makes the Baha’i Faith the youngest of the major world religions.

Baha’u’llah made a second and even more challenging claim. He declared he was the promised world messiah foretold in all the prophecies, in all the holy books, of all the religions of the world – the one promised to come on the Day of Judgment, the Day of God, the Time of the End, the End of the World, to establish the kingdom of God on Earth.

Baha’u’llah declared this period in history as the Day of God, the Time of the End. His mission is nothing less than the establishment of this glorious kingdom – the unification of the entire human race into an all-embracing, spiritually mature world civilization based upon divine principles of justice and love, and whose watchword will be unity in diversity.

With this second claim, Baha’is believe that all of the religions of the world have been consummated and fulfilled with the coming of Baha’u’llah.

https://bahaiteachings.org/what-did-bahaullah-teach?
And how do they hear it? The only way I can think of to make sure that new people can hear the message is to make sure the message is being said "over and over and over and over again."

You know, in the way you said we shouldn't.
It would not have to be said over and over and over again to the same person, but it would have to be said over and over again such that the people of the world have all heard the message.

Unfortunately, that has not yet been accomplished, and it is the duty of the Baha'is to accomplish it.
And that's the only difference, is it?
Regarding our beliefs about the story of Adam and Eve that is the essential difference. I don't know what you mean by "the only difference."
Yes, Bahai teaches is, but it is by no means the only religion to do so. All great religious traditions teach unity, oneness
All the great religions have teachings about unity and oneness, but the Baha'i Faith is the first religion to teach the following:

“One of the great events,” ‘Abdu’l-Bahá has, in His “Some Answered Questions,” affirmed, “which is to occur in the Day of the manifestation of that Incomparable Branch [Bahá’u’lláh] is the hoisting of the Standard of God among all nations. By this is meant that all nations and kindreds will be gathered together under the shadow of this Divine Banner, which is no other than the Lordly Branch itself, and will become a single nation. Religious and sectarian antagonism, the hostility of races and peoples, and differences among nations, will be eliminated. All men will adhere to one religion, will have one common faith, will be blended into one race, and become a single people. All will dwell in one common fatherland, which is the planet itself.”
The Promised Day Is Come, p. 121
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
A human is physically equal consciously family just a human only.

No title.

If a theist states as a holy man first I theoried gods earth stone.

Then human law assessing outcomes stated that man thinker was a criminal.

The status a scientist.

A Baha'i man says I am still speaking earth God science theisms

I'm supposed to be holy man who knew self wrong by criminal man's theisms. Science.

Hence he teaches family spiritual family trade behaviours as civilisation began evilly by brothers the theist scientist first.

Knowing he's wrong.

Now he know he's wrong. How does he teach he's right when knowingly he's wrong?

As he theories science.

The reasoning says I must only deliver the message as I'm wrong. Wrong about God in science also. So I deliver human behaviour family trade reality changes needed.

As God in science a man's thesis had not invented us.

The true human science teaching said Kra the ape baboon was closest family. When a man theoried as animals by his man head.

Which stated without dispute no human scientist owned a thesis for existing life.

Especially when he theoried cosmic direct for machine as machine reaction first.

Proved by human law society he had tried to anti eradicate life on earth.

Was the book of proof shut book never teach again from it reasoned.

Satanist science rich men hid and so were his riches. Scientists were outlawed. Came back into self power as rich men who prove when in trouble they hide their riches. Hence rich man re invented the sciences again.

Rich man's history a bunch of liars.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
And you are just a person who calls themself Baha'i. You might be a physician and not be Baha'i..All we know about you is what we read on the internet.
That I am a Baha'i is verifiable through the NSA of the Baha'is of the United States.
That I am not a physician is verifiable through the state medical board.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Far be it for me to answer for Policy, but these are my answers to these questions...



He allows evil and violence to continue when he could stop it. He created a system in which natural long painful deaths of innocents are not only possible, but rather common.



He's God. I'm sure he could figure out a way.



So why did he create us?

A human man was the earth God science theist.

A human son asks himself as a human father why did you have sex. All problems inherited by sex. Sex is evil he said a sin.

I inherit an evil mind.

His human father told him he began life a holy man baby. Star fall sacrificed his holy man life body. His consciousness changed.

Don't blame human sex for your own choices when your mind conscious had free will choice.

Which he ignores as just a man's question and just a human father's answer to his human son.

No excuse for what you did brothers said our holy human father.

Babies are all innocent. You chose the science to continue the attack yourself. The star fall above.

You kept us in a constant as if the star was falling constantly. By machine science.

Which by thesis proved you wanted all life on earth destroyed. As the star stopped its attack.

Man however said a human starving still has sex to produce a baby starving....
.what is wrong with our morality?

As proof the conditions of human choice.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
I do not believe that God is going to destroy us for exercising our free will as that is not a Baha'i belief.
Men of theisms said God is the planet. Hence why would you want the planet to disappear?

God won't disappear he said but a sink hole nothing opened by science causes. So he places the mouth of his machine design as a sink hole. Gaining gods earths heavens gases after that enter cooling the hole.

Humans water oxygen gas spirits says a theist entered the time shifted hole. To shift by time burning gas.

Yes we went back in time he congratulates his lying theist self. Biology owning holy heavens life.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
He allows evil and violence to continue when he could stop it. He created a system in which natural long painful deaths of innocents are not only possible, but rather common.
Why should God change the system He put into place, just because a few atheists don't like suffering?

I do not like suffering any more than you do but that is how God designed this world and I don't question God because God is omniscient and I am not.
He's God. I'm sure he could figure out a way.
He already did.
So why did he create us?
The purpose of God in creating man hath been, and will ever be, to enable him to know his Creator and to attain His Presence. To this most excellent aim, this supreme objective, all the heavenly Books and the divinely-revealed and weighty Scriptures unequivocally bear witness.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 70

That is the primary purpose as is also expressed in the Baha'i Short Obligatory Prayer as knowing and worshiping God. However, the other purpose if this life in this material world is spiritual growth, developing our spiritual nature, so our souls will be prepared to ascend to the spiritual world when we die physically.

“The nature of the soul after death can never be described, nor is it meet and permissible to reveal its whole character to the eyes of men. The Prophets and Messengers of God have been sent down for the sole purpose of guiding mankind to the straight Path of Truth. The purpose underlying Their revelation hath been to educate all men, that they may, at the hour of death, ascend, in the utmost purity and sanctity and with absolute detachment, to the throne of the Most High.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 156-157
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
No True Scotsman fallacy.
No, just the truth about the Baha'i Faith. It is a known fact that the sects are Covenant breakers, they are not Baha'is under the Covenant of Baha'u'llah. They will even concede to that.

If you want to remain ignorant just so you can believe you won an argument that is your choice.
It is no skin off my nose.
 
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