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Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true?

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
By world order I presume it is meant "the main political powers in control".
This has a habit of change and has been changing regularly since before Baha'u'llah came.
No, new world order does not mean a change in the main political powers in control. It means what is described below, a world commonwealth, a democratic elected world government based on principles of equity and justice.

Baháʼu'lláh taught that the future order will be the embodiment God's scheme for mankind.[3] Later on his successors, ʻAbdu'l-Bahá and Shoghi Effendi, interpreted "unification of mankind" as the eventual establishment of a world commonwealth, later as a democratic elected world government based on principles of equity and justice.[4]

Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_(Baháʼí)
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
What you mean is: are you able to sell a liberal interpretation of a prophesy as if it is coming true.
I am not trying to sell anything.
The I only asked if the prophecies were coming true.
That is a yes/no question.

If you do not see the old world order being rolled up and a new world order rising it is a no.
If you see the old world order being rolled up and a new world order rising it is a yes.

If you answer yes, then obviously Baha'u'llah's prophecies are coming true. What you think that means is entirely up to you.
 

ppp

Well-Known Member
A prophecy either came true or it did not come true. It does not matter if it is vague or specific.
It absolutely matters. No one with any critical reasoning skills is going to take "Germany will lose some wars" as any more of a prophesy (divine or otherwise) than if I say, Germany will experience a few droughts.

1. The fall from power of the French Emperor Napoleon III and the consequent loss of his empire.

Seizing control in an illegal coup with little significant support, either internal or external. The first decade I remember was the 70s and I knew that was an unstable regime before I was a teenager. To anyone educated and born in the 1800s, that would not have been prophecy. It would have been blindingly obvious.

3. The success and stability of Queen Victoria's reign.
An uncontested monarch in a stable and VERY prosperous country, separated from her enemies by water. Again, how is this prophecy?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Too vague. Long ago when these documentaries on a "New world order" came up along with the Illuminati and the Freemasons etc one could have associated these prophecies with them. I suppose.
I did not ask if the prophecies are 'associated' with Baha'u'llah, I only asked if they were coming true. I asked: Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true?
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
I did not ask if the prophecies are 'associated' with Baha'u'llah, I only asked if they were coming true. I asked: Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true?

I didnt say anything about an association with Bahaullah.

My point was that even the Illuminati could have "been" the prophecy because the "New World Order" was associated with them. Like you have associated it with the Ukrainian situation etc. Sorry my wording maybe off.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Definition of prophecy
1 : an inspired utterance of a prophet
2 : the function or vocation of a prophet specifically : the inspired declaration of divine will and purpose
3 : a prediction of something to come
Definition of PROPHECY
1. No one can predict future. Prophecy is a farce.
2. There is no evidence of God or divine will.
3. One cannot believe on what a charlatan or mad / psychologically disturbed person says.
 
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Trailblazer

Veteran Member
It absolutely matters. No one with any critical reasoning skills is going to take "Germany will lose some wars" as any more of a prophesy (divine or otherwise) than if I say, Germany will experience a few droughts.
The events either occurred or not. It s as simple as that. What you think that means is another matter altogether. Baha'u'llah foresaw WWI and WWII and those events took place. What you make of that is your own business. Baha'u'llah was not offering that as proof of His prophet-hood, it was simply being offered as a warning to Kaiser Wilhelm I.

O banks of the Rhine! We have seen you covered with gore, inasmuch as the swords of retribution were drawn against you; and you shall have another turn. And We hear the lamentations of Berlin, though she be today in conspicuous glory.” Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh, p, 39
Seizing control in an illegal coup with little significant support, either internal or external. The first decade I remember was the 70s and I knew that was an unstable regime before I was a teenager. To anyone educated and born in the 1800s, that would not have been prophecy. It would have been blindingly obvious.

An uncontested monarch in a stable and VERY prosperous country, separated from her enemies by water. Again, how is this prophecy?

Excerpts from the Tablet to Napoleon III:

“Give ear, O King, unto the Voice that calleth from the Fire which burneth in this verdant Tree, on this Sinai which hath been raised above the hallowed and snow-white Spot, beyond the Everlasting City: ‘Verily, there is none other God but Me, the Ever-Forgiving, the Most Merciful!’ ……. Arise thou to serve God and help His Cause. He, verily, will assist thee with the hosts of the seen and unseen, and will set thee king over all that whereon the sun riseth. Thy Lord, in truth, is the All-Powerful, the Almighty......

Ere long the world and all that thou possessest will perish, and the kingdom will remain unto God, thy Lord and the Lord of thy fathers of old. It behoveth thee not to conduct thine affairs according to the dictates of thy desires. Fear the sighs of this Wronged One, and shield Him from the darts of such as act unjustly.

For what thou hast done, thy kingdom shall be thrown into confusion, and thine empire shall pass from thine hands, as a punishment for that which thou hast wrought. Then wilt thou know how thou hast plainly erred. Commotions shall seize all the people in that land, unless thou arisest to help this Cause, and followest Him Who is the Spirit of God (Jesus Christ) in this, the Straight Path. Hath thy pomp made thee proud? By My Life! It shall not endure; nay, it shall soon pass away, unless thou holdest fast by this firm Cord. We see abasement hastening after thee, whilst thou art of the heedless. It behoveth thee when thou hearest His Voice calling from the seat of glory to cast away all that thou possessest, and cry out: ‘Here am I, O Lord of all that is in heaven and all that is on earth!’” Proclamation of Baha'u'llah, pp. 18-20

That Tablet was written in 1869 when Napoleon was at the height of His glory. In 1870, Napoleon III fell in battle:

In July 1870, Napoleon entered the Franco-Prussian War without allies and with inferior military forces. The French army was rapidly defeated and Napoleon III was captured at the Battle of Sedan.
Napoleon III - Wikipedia

EVERYTHING that Baha’u’llah predicted came to pass. All those who rejected His Tablets fell from power just as He had warned them would happen. Those who persecuted Him and exiled and banished Him met with an ever sorrier fate. This is all history so it cannot be refuted. The only monarch He addressed that did not fall from power was Queen Victoria, because she did not reject Baha’u’llah:

Queen Victoria, upon reading the Tablet revealed for her by Baha'u'llah, remarked: "If this is of God, it will endure; if not, it can do no harm." (pdc 65) (18:49)

From: 2nd Coming of Christ by David Yamartino
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Too vague. Long ago when these documentaries on a "New world order" came up along with the Illuminati and the Freemasons etc one could have associated these prophecies with them. I suppose.

Many prophecies incolving the rulers of the time, did unfold in the short term. The longer term prophecies have to be read with the further explanations of Abdul'baha and Shoghi Effendi.

They then offer enough detail for a clearer picture.

Regards Tony
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Until you can get your god to literally speak,
God has already spoken through Baha'u'llah.

“Attract the hearts of men, through the call of Him, the one alone Beloved. Say: This is the Voice of God, if ye do but hearken. This is the Day Spring of the Revelation of God, did ye but know it. This is the Dawning-Place of the Cause of God, were ye to recognize it. This is the Source of the commandment of God, did ye but judge it fairly. This is the manifest and hidden Secret; would that ye might perceive it.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 34
 
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