Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true?

[CG Didymus]

What matters is, all those subjects are in Iqan. A Book written by Baha'u'llah who did not have religious education, who wrote the Book in two days.
I always asked that question. If Baha'u'llah did not have religious education, how was He aware of all those concepts in other religions?

If he had infallible knowledge from God that he had access to, then he should have said something about Krishna and Buddha... And maybe Sikhs. And now that I know about Hud and Salif, it makes even more strange that he didn't mention all the incarnations of Vishnu. Even if all he did was to say they weren't real. Baha'is straightened out Christianity. They told them that their God/man was not a God and that he is dead. Why not do the same for those Hindus that believe Krishna and those others are not incarnations of Vishnu. And probably, also, that there is no Vishnu.

Oh, and he took the time to straighten out the Jews. All this time they thought Isaac was the son. But no, it was Ishmael. Infallible God knowledge or just building off of Islamic beliefs? And where did he get that story about Noah? Is that based on Islam also? The claim is he is the infallible mouthpiece of God. That is questionable to some of us.

 

[CG Didymus]

That's not how I would answer a historical question. I would try to find an answer according to historical evidences.

Okay what is the historical evidence for Hud and Salih? If they were mentioned in the Bible, they could easily be written off as fictional. But they are in the Baha'i writings and the Quran, so for Baha'is, they must be real, because Baha'u'llah said so. So, is there some historical evidence?

 

[CG Didymus]

I was not aware of this.
As a rule I try to avoid dismantling the belief systems or coping mechanisms of people with mental heath issues.
Good luck.

Don't feel too bad for Baha'is. Because of them I've been a basket case for months. I guess I picked a bad time to quit sniffing glue.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Often a reasonable indication.

Again, often indicators of mental health issues.

Me too, but I try to avoid applying extra stress on people who may be experiencing mental health issues. They often have enough to cope with without people dismantling their coping mechanisms. I will no longer be repeatedly explaining the flaws in their cognitive processes. I would encourage others to do likewise.

I wouldn't mix mental health with cognitive or logic.
It seemed to me you said, that because she went to psychiatrist, it means her belief in Bahaullah is false.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Okay what is the historical evidence for Hud and Salih? If they were mentioned in the Bible, they could easily be written off as fictional. But they are in the Baha'i writings and the Quran, so for Baha'is, they must be real, because Baha'u'llah said so. So, is there some historical evidence?

There is no historical evidence for Noah, Abraham.or even Moses. Does it mean they did not exist? They lived far time ago. That could be the reason there is no recorded history for them.
But the Bab and Baha'u'llah lived in the 19th century. So, it is possible to investigate their history.

 

[CG Didymus]

For those that embraces Jesus they found peace and unity. That they lived in a world that made other choices, that is life.

Regards Tony

Embracing a cult does the same thing.

 

[ppp]

Maybe more like the Messianic Jews. They keep what they can of Judaism and add Jesus to it. The beliefs about Adam, Noah, Abraham, and Jesus all seem to be taken directly from Islam. And then add this Hud and Salih as being prophets. I had never heard of them, but they are mentioned in the Quran. Then the Baha'is have obligatory prayers and a sun rise to sunset fast during one of their months... And then basing everything around "God's" laws.

Mmm. Interesting. Makes me want to take another comparative religions course

 

[CG Didymus]

Now, since we see how much difficulty the world started to have, such as Covid 19, and now this new War that many are concerned could turn to a nuclear war, we see these things as a possible sign, that a fixed time, that Bahaullah wrote, is really getting near.

Okay, what's next? What are Baha'is supposed to do and are going to do? And what are the leaders and the people of the world going to do? What is prophesied next?

 

[ppp]

There is no historical evidence for Noah, Abraham.or even Moses. Does it mean they did not exist? They lived far time ago. That could be the reason there is no recorded history for them.
But the Bab and Baha'u'llah lived in the 19th century. So, it is possible to investigate their history.

It means that there is no good reason to believe they exist. They may have or may not. Or they could be a merging of true and false stories

 

[InvestigateTruth]

It means that there is no good reason to believe they exist.

For me there is good reason to believe they lived before, because I believe in Baha'u'llah. Baha'u'llah confirmed them.
And there is reason I believe in Baha'u'llah is because I investigated His history and Writings and character, and all together convinced me.
We don't know much about Noah or even Jesus through history. But we do know about Baha'u'llah, because He was in the 19th century.

They may have or may not. Or they could be a merging of true and false stories

if we were to only decide on that through history, then there was no way to know if they existed or not.

 

[CG Didymus]

The issue is CG you are looking at old world order thoughts of domination.

The new world order does not have that restriction.

Liberty requires our free will submission to laws that guide a progressive society.

Regards Tony

"submission"? And if someone doesn't "submit"? If the whole of society isn't in this together and "submitting" to the rules of God, then there's going to be people who don't want to and refuse to "submit" to those rules. They will smoke, drink, take drugs, have sex with anyone at any time and probably want to own a gun and who knows what else. In a "new" world order, what you gonna do about them?

But then the other problem... those that say they "submit" but break some of the laws, mainly the ones about sex, in private. And what happens when it is someone in a high leadership position? I read something about Baha'u'llah says to tattoo a thief after multiple offenses. What do you do with a white-collar criminal? And it better not be some country club "prison". He says to fine a person when have multiple extra-marital affairs. What you going to do with gay and lesbian offenders? Put them in therapy? I hear it is okay to burn an arsonist to death. So, it sounds like there is still gong to be law breaking going on.

So, how is this "new" world order not going to be infected with the same defects of character that most all of us have?

 

[CG Didymus]

The Judgement was given.

We live in Judgement Day and yes, it is unfolding as foretold.

God's time is not our time.

Regards Tony

So, the real Baha'i message is that it is too late, the judgement, the near destruction of the planet and all people is under way. Because a few leaders rejected Baha'u'llah? So, plan B is in effect. Wars and disaster until, on their own free will, the people of the world submit to God. In the meantime, Baha'is are working on learning how to rule, I mean, govern the world under God's laws. But first, the people will put together a secular world government. And that won't become corrupt and force people into submission?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Okay, what's next? What are Baha'is supposed to do and are going to do? And what are the leaders and the people of the world going to do? What is prophesied next?

"The world is in travail, and its agitation waxeth day by day. Its face is turned towards waywardness and unbelief. Such shall be its plight, that to disclose it now would not be meet and seemly. Its perversity will long continue. And when the appointed hour is come, there shall suddenly appear that which shall cause the limbs of mankind to quake. Then, and only then, will the Divine Standard be unfurled, and the Nightingale of Paradise warble its melody."
Bahaullah

It will continue until a catastrophe happens. It is something that will shake the limbs of mankind.
There are recorded sayings of Shoghi Effendi, that this has to do with atomic bombs. It has to do with russia. Then a great part of world is destroyed overnight.
There are recorded sayings of Baha'u'llah on this. He said when it happens, people think what was the cause of it. They will conclude it was fanaticism.

 

[CG Didymus]

Mmm. Interesting. Makes me want to take another comparative religions course

You know I was going to Baha'i meeting and conferences when I was in college. So, because of them I majored in Sociology with a lot of courses in Cultural Anthropology and minored in religion. Then I quit going to Baha'i meetings and dropped out of Grad school to go play beach volley and work in construction.

I know, you're probably thinking, "Wow, he is more wise than I thought." Yes, yes I know. Going from learning about a religion that is trying to change the world and bring peace to partying at the beach every day.

 

[CG Didymus]

There was no one available that had not broken the covenant. Thus the line of the Guardian ended with Shoghi Effendi.

Regards Tony

That's troubling to hear. It was sad about Mason Remey too. It sounds like he was at the top right behind Shoghi, then lost it all by trying to claim it all.

 

[CG Didymus]

The sunrises every day CG, it only offers light.

The darkness is our choice, it is us that chooses darkness over the light.

Regards Tony

There's a big continuum between those that choose extreme light (religion) and extreme darkness (just being no good, evil people). Most of us are in between somewhere, not too good but not too bad. What sucks is when religious people act as if they are good but aren't. Not very many people are going to complain if religious people just lived peaceful, loving, kind and all that good stuff kind of lives. But so many of them, because their religion tells them to, have to go out and preach the word to others.

 

[CG Didymus]

"The world is in travail, and its agitation waxeth day by day. Its face is turned towards waywardness and unbelief. Such shall be its plight, that to disclose it now would not be meet and seemly. Its perversity will long continue. And when the appointed hour is come, there shall suddenly appear that which shall cause the limbs of mankind to quake. Then, and only then, will the Divine Standard be unfurled, and the Nightingale of Paradise warble its melody."
Bahaullah

It will continue until a catastrophe happens. It is something that will shake the limbs of mankind.
There are recorded sayings of Shoghi Effendi, that this has to do with atomic bombs. It has to do with russia. Then a great part of world is destroyed overnight.
There are recorded sayings of Baha'u'llah on this. He said when it happens, people think what was the cause of it. They will conclude it was fanaticism.

Okay, then what?

 

[CG Didymus]

There is no historical evidence for Noah, Abraham.or even Moses. Does it mean they did not exist? They lived far time ago. That could be the reason there is no recorded history for them.
But the Bab and Baha'u'llah lived in the 19th century. So, it is possible to investigate their history.

That's the problem. No evidence they were real, yet, because Baha'u'llah said so, Baha'is have to believe they were real. But not only that they were real, but that what Baha'u'llah about them, and not what the Bible said about them, is true Now what about Hud and Salih? Why do they have to be real?

 

[CG Didymus]

For me there is good reason to believe they lived before, because I believe in Baha'u'llah. Baha'u'llah confirmed them.
And there is reason I believe in Baha'u'llah is because I investigated His history and Writings and character, and all together convinced me.
We don't know much about Noah or even Jesus through history. But we do know about Baha'u'llah, because He was in the 19th century.

if we were to only decide on that through history, then there was no way to know if they existed or not.

But Baha'u'llah tells a completely different story about Noah than the Bible story. He is a character in the Jewish religion. The flood. The animals. The Nephilim. The rainbow. Why change their story about their character?

Then again, about Jesus. It says that he showed himself to be alive with many proofs. He said touch me and see that I have flesh and bone and am not a ghost, but Baha'is make that story fictional and that it has some important spiritual and symbolic meaning. I don't think so. If it's not a true story, then the gospel writers were telling lies and making up stories about Jesus.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

"submission"? And if someone doesn't "submit"? If the whole of society isn't in this together and "submitting" to the rules of God, then there's going to be people who don't want to and refuse to "submit" to those rules. They will smoke, drink, take drugs, have sex with anyone at any time and probably want to own a gun and who knows what else. In a "new" world order, what you gonna do about them?

But then the other problem... those that say they "submit" but break some of the laws, mainly the ones about sex, in private. And what happens when it is someone in a high leadership position? I read something about Baha'u'llah says to tattoo a thief after multiple offenses. What do you do with a white-collar criminal? And it better not be some country club "prison". He says to fine a person when have multiple extra-marital affairs. What you going to do with gay and lesbian offenders? Put them in therapy? I hear it is okay to burn an arsonist to death. So, it sounds like there is still gong to be law breaking going on.

So, how is this "new" world order not going to be infected with the same defects of character that most all of us have?

Look at the world now CG, you questions are answered.

The Baha'i are peaceful, loving and loyal world citizens, in a world struggling to find its unity.

Regards Tony