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Are demons real?

Awoon

Well-Known Member
One quick question.
Why does God allow 'demons' or 'evil' ?
I guess evil demons have free will also.
Amazing !
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'mud

Ancient meanings for today's bi-polar, mentally ill. Psychiatry doesn't use evil or demon. They are simply energies of people that manifest certain behaviors.
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
hey Awoon,
A lot of books there...and I got tired of reading them years ago.
And also.....I'm too tired to care anymore.
email ?
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'mud
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Viruses, bacteria and parasites are the original demons. I think fear of demons is associated with that instinct to be afraid of even very tiny things such as spiders, however viruses, bacteria and mental illnesses account for most demonic activity, whereas fear of demons is responsible for books and movies about demons.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
In thr Lotus Sutra the Buddha and Nichiren, the buddha describe demons by metaphor as our evil thoughts and actions that consume thebself letting us suffer internally in the avichi hell (permenant inner state of tormant). As such, demons do exist as long as humans exist.

I experience "demons" daily. I also believe if we are not careful in who we direct and how we pray we can bring spirits with bad intentions. These are not demons.

I believe my evil thoughts are not demonic spirits.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I don't believe in demons because I don't believe anything is inherently bad or evil. Even if some manner of spirits exist, the odds are they would be as morally & socially complex as we are. Different obviously, but not mustache-twirlingly evil because ebil'.


You're aware of "fear", right? And phobias? And all manner of things that bother people? For instance, I am bothered by heights, and also fear tight spaces. When I watched the movie 'Buried' I had to do it in two or three sittings because of that. And when I went to bed, when I closed my eyes I could only think of being trapped in a box, slowly running out of air and dying in misery, with no one and nothing to save me.

You saw a scary movie that bothered you on a deeper level than you expected. Nothing more, nothing less. Do not attribute to supernatural forces that which is more than adequately explained by things as simple as 'being human'.

I don't believe you don't have a clue because you are so materialistically minded that you won't allow evidence to change your mind.

I believe I am aware of fear. I had none. If there is anyone intospective I certainly see myself that way.

I believe this comes under the heading of fantasy and I was not doing that.

I believe the evidence is otherwise.

I believe explaining away the suprnatural is the first love of the materialist whether it is justified or not.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I believe that demons are real and base that both on the Bible and my personal experience.
This is a tricky thing in that demons are as real as you wish them to be. If they figure prominently in your belief system you may indeed experience "contact" of some kind or other. Think of it as confirmation bias on steroids. This should not be taken as meaning that I support the ideas of evil and demons. I don't. However, if you believe in such things, the validity of said things is relative to the amount of belief you put into them. Unwittingly folks put a large amount of energy into an rather unsavory relationship and one that can - quite literally - come back to haunt you.
 
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`mud

Just old
Premium Member
hey Muff,
You think that God believes in redeeming or atoning for a fault or mistake ?
I get the idea that God regrets the acts mentioned, creating demons and evil.
Do you really think that God made a mistake in these doings.
Or.....do you think that He created demons and evil for deliverence from sin ?
Some sort of salvation, maybe to appease mankind for doing it to them ?
As usual...I'm somewhat confused...could you expand on that thinking ?
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'mud
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
They are the instinctual, habitual impulses that are in opposition to spirit and our spiritual attempts to raise consciousness. They can gain strength, especially the longer certain habits are repeated.
Evil urges of the natural man's lower self nature, desires and emotions, the beast of the bottomless pit... A human that's never satisfied by fleshly and worldy things.
There are spirits of all sorts, jealousy, anger, pride, ego, conceit, lust, greed, lying, list goes on and on.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
They are the instinctual, habitual impulses that are in opposition to spirit and our spiritual attempts to raise consciousness. They can gain strength, especially the longer certain habits are repeated.
Evil urges of the natural man's lower self nature, desires and emotions, the beast of the bottomless pit... A human that's never satisfied by fleshly and worldy things.
There are spirits of all sorts, jealousy, anger, pride, ego, conceit, lust, greed, lying, list goes on and on.
Defining demons as personal self-destructive mental and emotional patterns makes the term 'demon' something no one would doubt. That belief in 'demons' is not controversial.

I think the OP was asking: What do you think about the possibility of external demons. For example, I believe there are entities in state of anger and hatred close to the earth realm that can cling to vulnerable individuals and effect them in a negative way. I have heard of strong possession cases where paranormal energy and events unleash (witnessed by multiple adults).
 

Awoon

Well-Known Member
Defining demons as personal self-destructive mental and emotional patterns makes the term 'demon' something no one would doubt. That belief in 'demons' is not controversial.

I think the OP was asking: What do you think about the possibility of external demons. For example, I believe there are entities in state of anger and hatred close to the earth realm that can cling to vulnerable individuals and effect them in a negative way. I have heard of strong possession cases where paranormal energy and events unleash (witnessed by multiple adults).

I posted Win Worley and his books. People can go to that church and decide for themselves what Demons are or Mental illness is. They don't hide behind anything.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
I posted Win Worley and his books. People can go to that church and decide for themselves what Demons are or Mental illness is. They don't hide behind anything.
I never heard of Win Worley until now. My opinions have been formed from other sources.
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
Defining demons as personal self-destructive mental and emotional patterns makes the term 'demon' something no one would doubt. That belief in 'demons' is not controversial.

I think the OP was asking: What do you think about the possibility of external demons. For example, I believe there are entities in state of anger and hatred close to the earth realm that can cling to vulnerable individuals and effect them in a negative way. I have heard of strong possession cases where paranormal energy and events unleash (witnessed by multiple adults).

Thank you for the response, friend.

The effects in a negative way would have to occur within them, the only place experience exists. Clinging to would be possessing pyschologically and internal.

A negative, external energy/entity clinging to a vulnerable human and causing suffering, pain, other affects I'd have to believe. I've reaped what I've sewn before, and have had many things come into my conscious/subconscious out of nowhere.

As far as strong possessing and very paranormal, I cannot know or relate to. Haven't experienced such.

For others, who have experienced such, it's their experience and one would have to be unbiased and not prejudice. I hold no judgement on anyone. We all have the power to create what is real to our own unique experiences. The subconscious births our realities. We all reap what we sew also.
 

Awoon

Well-Known Member
How does 'mental illness' theory explain paranormal energies and events witnessed by multiple adults as in the strongest cases?

Go to Win Worley's church in Hammond, Indiana and see for yourself. I've been there and have seen activity that would be mental illness not Demons.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Go to Win Worley's church in Hammond, Indiana and see for yourself. I've been there and have seen activity that would be mental illness not Demons.
Er....so. This subject is bigger than Win Worley.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
I don't doubt demons are real. Go to any area in the world today where the gospel of Christ has never shed it's light and demonic activity and possession can be observed first hand. The scriptures repeatedly give accounts of Jesus setting individuals free from the power of demons. Demons are beings much more powerful than human beings and with the intelligence to know exactly how to work in any give culture or in any individual life, whether blatantly or subtly to accomplish their goal of destroying as many human lives as they can. This task is so much easier when a person is either living under fear of demons or in unawareness and/or denal of their existence.
 
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