Are demons real?

[Awoon]

Er....so. This subject is bigger than Win Worley.

And you don't want to see real Demons in action. Many churches believe in Demon deliverance, Kenneth Copeland believes. You get a bunch of "believers" together and watch them conjure up plenty of things. But you don't want to check them out do you?

 

[Awoon]

I don't doubt demons are real. Go to any area in the world today where the gospel of Christ has never shed it's light and demonic activity and possession can be observed first hand. The scriptures repeatedly give accounts of Jesus setting individuals free from the power of demons. Demons are beings much more powerful than human beings and with the intelligence to know exactly how to work in any give culture or in any individual life, whether blatantly or subtly to accomplish their goal of destroying as many human lives as they can. This task is so much easier when a person is either living under fear of demons or in unawareness and/or denal of their existence.

Ever see any manifest through a human, or you just pretending to know?

 

[George-ananda]

And you don't want to see real Demons in action. Many churches believe in Demon deliverance, Kenneth Copeland believes. You get a bunch of "believers" together and watch them conjure up plenty of things. But you don't want to check them out do you?

You missed my point......

 

[Awoon]

You missed my point......

No I didn't. I supplied a place for you to go see and you refuse. Simple as that.

 

[George-ananda]

No I didn't. I supplied a place for you to go see and you refuse. Simple as that.

I was not unaware of the general subject of evangelical Christianity and demons and wasn't interested in further examples. Because some believers in something may be quacks does not mean all believers in that thing are quacks. I have studied cases I do not consider quackery.

 

[Awoon]

I was not unaware of the general subject of evangelical Christianity and demons and wasn't interested in further examples. Because some believers in something may be quacks does not mean all believers in that thing are quacks. I have studied cases I do not consider quackery.

Done with you.

 

[Brickjectivity]

I was not unaware of the general subject of evangelical Christianity and demons and wasn't interested in further examples. Because some believers in something may be quacks does not mean all believers in that thing are quacks. I have studied cases I do not consider quackery.

Well that sounds interesting. I don't leave out the possibility that there could be external insane creatures that are invisible, and I include the possibility despite the numerous instances of false representations I've seen.

 

[Desert Snake]

Well that sounds interesting. I don't leave out the possibility that there could be external insane creatures that are invisible, and I include the possibility despite the numerous instances of false representations I've seen.

The direct OP question is, are demons real. I answered that, the issue of possession is something else entirely.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I believe my evil thoughts are not demonic spirits.

Its a metaphor describing psychologically the negative feelings we have. Many religions personify this as external beings (ex Christianity) while others I am told are not external (ex judaism) in regards to the snake story in the garden of eden.

Unless one has positive thoughts (aka healthy thoughts for mind and body), they will sometimes we have temptations of the opposite which some faiths call demons.

Nothing more.

 

[George-ananda]

The direct OP question is, are demons real. I answered that, the issue of possession is something else entirely.

Not entirely, as one can believe demons can cling themselves to vulnerable individuals. Such a belief implies the answer to the question 'are demons real'.

 

[George-ananda]

Well that sounds interesting. I don't leave out the possibility that there could be external insane creatures that are invisible, and I include the possibility despite the numerous instances of false representations I've seen.

Good, you got my point that false cases do not imply all cases are false. It just shows that you need to be careful and analytical.

Here's a link to a description of one such case:

Possession case in St. Louis, Mo.

And I'm not saying to believe everything you read but if you are interested in such subjects as I am, learn as much as you can from both sides and form your own opinion.

 

[Bunyip]

The distinction I would make is in the level of evidence arguing for their existence. I believe demons have things like possession claims (with paranormal activity witnessed by multiple adults), experiences by many people, etc., etc. that allow for an argument for their real existence.

Yes George, the exact same sort of claims made about Leprechauns. With exactly the same sort of evidence.

Now you (as a materialist) and I can argue all day and night about the evidence but there are serious claims by intelligent people to consider.

Sure, George - so if they are serious claims, why do you dismiss the evidence for leprechauns, but accept the evidence for demons when it is exactly the same kind of evidence. Why is the existence of leprechauns something 'intelligent people' should not consider, but demons something they should? Did you just close your mind to leprechauns for some reason?

I am not aware of any serious claims for the existence of Leprechauns or Pink Unicorns or Flying Pigs. So that is why I would put them in a different category.

Then you need to read more and open your mind George, there are thousands of reports of people experiencing leprechauns. Why do you find Irish spirituality so ridiculous, compared to your own? Where does your bias against Irish spirituality come from?

 

[Bunyip]

How does 'mental illness' theory explain paranormal energies and events witnessed by multiple adults as in the strongest cases?

A:Thoroughly.

 

[Bunyip]

Do you believe in Alien Life? (E.T's)

Of course not. I do think they are a possibility.

 

[Bunyip]

This is metaphor, if the scientific mind can not comprehend simple metaphor then it should be more learned in the arts.

imo

If it is a metaphor, then you concede that they do not exist right?

 

[George-ananda]

A:Thoroughly.

I don't get it. Are you saying all the sober adults in the cases must be 'mentally ill'?

 

[Bunyip]

I don't get it. Are you saying all the sober adults in the cases must be 'mentally ill'?

No, I am saying that psychiatry and neuroscience thoroughly explains the phenomena primitive societies once thought to be a result of demonic possession.

 

[George-ananda]

Yes George, the exact same sort of claims made about Leprechauns. With exactly the same sort of evidence. Sure, George - so if they are serious claims, why do you dismiss the evidence for leprechauns, but accept the evidence for demons when it is exactly the same kind of evidence. Why is the existence of leprechauns something 'intelligent people' should not consider, but demons something they should? Did you just close your mind to leprechauns for some reason?Then you need to read more and open your mind George, there are thousands of reports of people experiencing leprechauns. Why do you find Irish spirituality so ridiculous, compared to your own? Where does your bias against Irish spirituality come from?

All I ever said was I was not aware of Leprechaun claims. I would have to review them with my usual open-minded skeptical approach. Not a subject I've looked into. Demons I believe are likely to exist.

 

[George-ananda]

No, I am saying that psychiatry and neuroscience thoroughly explains the phenomena primitive societies once thought to be a result of demonic possession.

They can not explain paranormal energies and events associated with the strongest cases.

 

[Bunyip]

They can not explain paranormal energies and events associated with the strongest cases.

Well why would they need to? 'Paranormal energy' is not even know to exist - why would 'they' need to explain something that is not detectable, measurable or even known to exist?