Are Mormons Christians?

[bible truth]

True, because just like every other divinely ordained Christian church (ie, not one created by men) and just like Christ himself and his apostles stressed numerous times, God's church is a church of prophets and of continued revelation. Without continued revelation, a church cannot possibly claim to be Gods. So, yes, without Moroni, or any other prophet in the history of God's church, from Adam to Gordon B Hinckley, if you take away the prophets, it's no longer God's church and Christ's church, but man's church.

Finally we are in agreement. I found an honest Mormon at last. We are all Christians but follow different teachings of Christ. Therefore, we follow 3 potentially different Christ. Here's a label we should agree upon. All have labels of Christian, but all mean something different. All proclaim different authorities: Roman Catholic Magestrium and apostolic succession - Peter being the first Pope; LDS prophet succession; Bible alone (Sola Scriptura). That is why we have three different versions of the historical Jesus Christ. They are mutually exclusive of each other. I reject the authority of the Pope. I also reject the authority of President Gordon Hinckley. I choose to follow Christ alone as He has revealed Himself in the Scriptures alone.

1. Mormon Christian
2. Roman Catholic Christian
3. Biblical Christian

Your Biblical Christian friend,
BT

 

[bible truth]

By the way, when you mentioned that I hadn't answered your questions I obliged and answered them. I am still waiting for the answer to the question I posed to you a few pages back. Please don't leave until you have answered it.

Please reference the post number.

 

[Katzpur]

Hi Katzpur and other Mormon friends

Hello, BT. Listen, before we get started, how about we agree to one thing? We are two members of RF who have some significant disagreements on some very important issues. We can and should try to be civil to one another, but please, if you are going to tell me in one post that my beliefs come from Satan, do not further insult me by referring to me as your friend in your very next post. It's one thing to be pleasant to one another, but there is no need for insincerity.

If you can honestly agree with the two links to the Christian Faith, I will consider the Mormon Church to be another Christian denomination. Please study the two “Christian Statement of Faith” below and compare it with "The Church of Latter Day Saints Statement of Faith”.

Our Church is called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. If you are going to leave out part of our name, don't leave Jesus Christ out of it.

It appears to me as if your canon is growing rather rapidly. You started out by telling me that real Christians believe in only the Bible. You then added the Westminster Confession of Faith to your list of things one must agree with in order to be a Christian. You've now added two websites that we also must agree with. What part of "Bible only" am I misunderstanding?

 

[jonny]

Our Church is called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. If you are going to leave out part of our name, don't leave Jesus Christ out of it.


It appears to me as if your canon is growing rather rapidly. You started out by telling me that real Christians believe in only the Bible. You then added the Westminster Confession of Faith to your list of things one must agree with in order to be a Christian. You've now added two websites that we also must agree with. What part of "Bible only" am I misunderstanding?

Next thing you know we're going to get a bunch of creeds that I have to agree with in order to be a "Biblical Christian."

 

[Mercy Not Sacrifice]

Okay, so I already know the answer to the question.

A new poster by the name of Bible Truth, however, is of a different opinion, and has suggested that this question be debated by "all who have been granted spiritual ears to hear." If you believe the condition of your spiritual ears qualifies you, and you are interested in weighing in on this, please feel free.

Since Bible Truth asked me to start this thread for him, I hope he will be so kind as to begin by defining the term "Christian," as my definition clearly does not suit him. To the best of my knowledge, the Bible never actually makes a clear statement as to what a "Christian" is. Jesus did say, however, that men would know His disciples by the love they showed for one another. According to LDS belief, a Christian would be a person who believes that Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God, who worships Him and looks to Him for salvation, and who strives to follow Christ's example in how he lives his life.

I would not presume to tell anyone who considers himself to be a Christian that he isn't one because he does not believe everything the Latter-day Saints do. I hope that Bible Truth will offer the Latter-day Saints the same courtesy. Otherwise, we might as well call off the debate entirely. This isn't, after all, a debate on "Are Mormons Lutheran?", "Are Mormons Catholic?", or "Are Mormons Baptist?"

For various reasons, I am glad to see this topic come up.

If Mormons claim devotion to Jesus Christ--which it appears that they do--then they have every right to call themselves "Christian." It is that simple.

Most of the dissent comes from the infighting that is, sad to say, characteristic of the Religious Right. Who gave us the right to determine what is "Christian" and what is not, when the Bible doesn't even give us a working definition?

 

[Katzpur]

Read the Bible. Then read the Book of Mormon. And for emphasis, read the Quran.

I'm not sure how the Quran figures into this discussion. I thought the subject of this thread was "Are Mormons Christians?", not "Are Mormons Muslims." While would like someday to read the Quran, what it has to say about Jesus Christ has no bearing whatsoever on this discussion.

Mormon Jesus - Created being who is the spirit brother of Lucifer.

Please provide chapter and verse since you apparently think the Book of Mormon teaches this.

 

[bible truth]

Of course not.



Mormonism doesn't deny the Bible. That is the most important premise of your arguement and you didn't even bother to try and defend it. If Mormonism denied the Bible and Christ, they'd be dumb to call themselves Christian. But they don't deny the Bible, and they do accept Christ; therefore, they can call themselves Christian.

Now for the big question of the day. Who determined what a "true Christian" believes? It certainly wasn't God, because those words are not even found in the Bible. Sounds to me like you're following the teachings of men, mingled with scriptures...

Could you please post the official position of the LDS church regarding the bible? I know it goes something like this: "we believe the bible to be god's word as long as it is correctly interpreted or translated or something like that". That's a nice little option that you have. I have discussed and debated with many Mormon missionaries and Mormon missionaries in the last 12 years. At the end of the face to face debate, all the Mormon has at the end is the "burning of the bosom". Maybe the Mormon missionary had indigestion that day? I personally choose the Bible over the burning of the bosom. If you would like to discuss Romans, please start a post. - BT

 

[Katzpur]

I have had numerous copies of the Book of Mormon throughout the years.

I don't believe you answered SoyLeche's question. He didn't ask how many copies of the Book of Mormon you have owned over the years. He asked if you've actually read it.

 

[Katzpur]

I have had numerous copies of the Book of Mormon throughout the years.

I don't believe this answered SoyLeche's question. He didn't ask how many copies of the Book of Mormon you have owned over the years. He asked if you've actually read it.

 

[Katzpur]

I have had numerous copies of the Book of Mormon throughout the years.

I don't believe this answered SoyLeche's question. He didn't ask how many copies of the Book of Mormon you have owned over the years. He asked if you've actually read it.

 

[bible truth]

Of course not.



Mormonism doesn't deny the Bible. That is the most important premise of your arguement and you didn't even bother to try and defend it. If Mormonism denied the Bible and Christ, they'd be dumb to call themselves Christian. But they don't deny the Bible, and they do accept Christ; therefore, they can call themselves Christian.

Now for the big question of the day. Who determined what a "true Christian" believes? It certainly wasn't God, because those words are not even found in the Bible. Sounds to me like you're following the teachings of men, mingled with scriptures...

Could you please post the official position of the LDS church regarding the bible? I know it goes something like this: "we believe the bible to be god's word as long as it is correctly interpreted or translated or something like that". That's a nice little option that you have. I have discussed and debated with many Mormon missionaries and Mormon Elders in the last 12 years. At the end of the face to face debate, all the Mormon has at the end is the "burning of the bosom". Maybe the Mormon missionary had indigestion that day? I personally choose the Bible over the burning of the bosom. If you would like to discuss Romans, please start a Thread. - BT

 

[bible truth]

Of course not.



Mormonism doesn't deny the Bible. That is the most important premise of your arguement and you didn't even bother to try and defend it. If Mormonism denied the Bible and Christ, they'd be dumb to call themselves Christian. But they don't deny the Bible, and they do accept Christ; therefore, they can call themselves Christian.

Now for the big question of the day. Who determined what a "true Christian" believes? It certainly wasn't God, because those words are not even found in the Bible. Sounds to me like you're following the teachings of men, mingled with scriptures...

Could you please post the official position of the LDS church regarding the bible? I know it goes something like this: "we believe the bible to be god's word as long as it is correctly interpreted or translated or something like that". That's a nice little option that you have. I have discussed and debated with many Mormon missionaries and Mormon missionaries in the last 12 years. At the end of the face to face debate, all the Mormon has at the end is the "burning of the bosom". Maybe the Mormon missionary had indigestion that day? I personally choose the Bible over the burning of the bosom. If you would like to discuss Romans, please start a Thread. - BT

 

[nutshell]

Could you please post the official position of the LDS church regarding the bible? I know it goes something like this: "we believe the bible to be god's word as long as it is correctly interpreted or translated or something like that". That's a nice little option that you have. I have discussed and debated with many Mormon missionaries and Mormon missionaries in the last 12 years. At the end of the face to face debate, all the Mormon has at the end is the "burning of the bosom". Maybe the Mormon missionary had indigestion that day? I personally choose the Bible over the burning of the bosom. If you would like to discuss Romans, please start a post. - BT

Article of Faith #8: "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly." What's wrong with that? Do you think every Bible was/is translated correctly? Are you aware that we use the King James version of the Bible just like many many other Christians?

After we receive the Word, the Truth will be confirmed by the Holy Spirit. Some people describe this as a "burning of the bosom." I do not. If you don't rely on the Spirit for truth, what are you relying on?

Finally, you have said in previous posts that you came here to share the good news of the gospel with the Mormons because it was the loving thing to do. Reread your post above. It was condescending and sarcastic. Obviously, you're own acts demonstrate you aren't serious about trying to help your Mormon neighbors. Rather, you came here to fight.

Check the score, buddy. Are Mormons Christian? 80+% yes. You lose.

 

[Comprehend]

I'll keep this short and simple. The Christ of the New Testament and the Christ of the Book of Mormon are the same Christ.

You claim they are different. The burden on you is to provide the support for your claim. Please share.

has bible truth addressed this post yet?

 

[Mercy Not Sacrifice]

Dear goodness.

 

[jonny]

Could you please post the official position of the LDS church regarding the bible? I know it goes something like this: "we believe the bible to be god's word as long as it is correctly interpreted or translated or something like that". That's a nice little option that you have.

"We believe the Bible to be the Word of God as far as it is translated correctly." Do you believe any differently? There are plenty of different bible translations out there and many of them say different things.

I have discussed and debated with many Mormon missionaries and Mormon missionaries in the last 12 years. At the end of the face to face debate, all the Mormon has at the end is the "burning of the bosom". Maybe the Mormon missionary had indigestion that day? I personally choose the Bibl

e over the burning of the bosom.

I'm not in the business of mocking other people's spiritual experiences & I don't generally respect people who do. I've had spiritual confirmation of the gospel, but that isn't the only reason I believe in it.

If you would like to discuss Romans, please start a post. - BT

Done:

 

[Mister_T]

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Funny how some branches of Christinaity think that this may not apply to them.

 

[bible truth]

Article of Faith #8: "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly." What's wrong with that? Do you think every Bible was/is translated correctly? Are you aware that we use the King James version of the Bible just like many many other Christians?

After we receive the Word, the Truth will be confirmed by the Holy Spirit. Some people describe this as a "burning of the bosom." I do not. If you don't rely on the Spirit for truth, what are you relying on?

Finally, you have said in previous posts that you came here to share the good news of the gospel with the Mormons because it was the loving thing to do. Reread your post above. It was condescending and sarcastic. Obviously, you're own acts demonstrate you aren't serious about trying to help your Mormon neighbors. Rather, you came here to fight.

Check the score, buddy. Are Mormons Christian? 80+% yes. You lose.

Look for Joseph Smith's translation of the Bible if the LDS church did not bury it from you?

 

[jonny]

I'm trying to start a new thread to address the Mormonism & Romans thing. Unfortunately, I've had a hard time doing so ever since they upgraded the forums, so be patient...

 

[nutshell]

has bible truth addressed this post yet?

nope.