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Are Muslims right about Paul?

Simplelogic

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I'm not satisfied. Clearly, it's talking about man and woman, husband and wife.
I could care less. Its not my fault that you are ignorant to the laws of Moses. I am not here to spoon feed you the answers to all of the challenging issues that you don't care to search out. You have already made up your mind that the Laws given to Moses are barbaric and obsolete. Yeshua will say "depart from me, you who practice anomia (lawlessness or law negation).
 

Unification

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He made females to help and serve males. He also made them to reproduce offspring. A very high calling.

That's correct, the Spirit needs a prudent body to dwell in. The soul needs a prudent heart and mind.
They also do reproduce offspring (seeds of knowledge, emotion, thoughts, etc.)
 

Unification

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I could care less. Its not my fault that you are ignorant to the laws of Moses. I am not here to spoon feed you the answers to all of the challenging issues that you don't care to search out. You have already made up your mind that the Laws given to Moses are barbaric and obsolete. Yeshua will say "depart from me, you who practice anomia (lawlessness or law negation).

Your law teaches you to serve others and not yourself, why do you care less? What's barberic if it's in ones heart for literal girls to serve literal guys and literal animals to be slaughtered.
 

Unification

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He made females to help and serve males. He also made them to reproduce offspring. A very high calling.

Now it's simple logic that that's a contradiction. One justifying a literal female being in subjection by sugar coating it with a "BUT" they reproduce offspring and that's their higher calling.
Sounds inequal and imbalance of weights and scales. Which is an abomination.
 

Simplelogic

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Now it's simple logic that that's a contradiction. One justifying a literal female being in subjection by sugar coating it with a "BUT" they reproduce offspring and that's their higher calling.
Sounds inequal and imbalance of weights and scales. Which is an abomination.
Wait…isn't "imbalance of weights and scales" part of the law of Moses??? I thought you didn't believe in that evil law?
 

Simplelogic

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Female subjugation was a response to the sins of Eve.

16Unto the woman He said: ‘I will greatly multiply thy pain and thy travail; in pain thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.’ Gen 3: 16
 

Simplelogic

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Assumption. Nothing of the law has changed the slightest. One just doesn't understand what the law means. The law is beautiful when spiritually understood.
Can you show me one place in the Hebrew scriptures where God reprimands Israel for not keeping "the spiritual" interpretation of the law?? Because I can give you numerous examples of where God reprimands His people for not keeping his "literal" laws.
 

Unification

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Female subjugation was a response to the sins of Eve.

16Unto the woman He said: ‘I will greatly multiply thy pain and thy travail; in pain thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.’ Gen 3: 16

If you take this literally, it contradicts everything God. Obviously, there is a deeper meaning.
Where did Cain's wife come from?
Genesis 5:2King James Version (KJV)
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. (One human)
 

Simplelogic

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So you are telling me unification, that all of the
If you take this literally, it contradicts everything God. Obviously, there is a deeper meaning.
Where did Cain's wife come from?
Genesis 5:2King James Version (KJV)
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. (One human)
No there isn't. That is why women in the Bible are always meant to be under a man! Either their father or a husband.
 

Unification

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Can you show me one place in the Hebrew scriptures where God reprimands Israel for not keeping "the spiritual" interpretation of the law?? Because I can give you numerous examples of where God reprimands His people for not keeping his "literal" laws.

It's everywhere, where would you like? Apparently, the literal interpretations of the law are what God was very unpleased with. . They kept them literally because they too had no idea what they meant.
 

Simplelogic

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We can either believe every prophet and man of God in the Bible, who believed in keeping the commandments literally. These same men who God declares as "righteous men". Or we can believe you.
 

Unification

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So you are telling me unification, that all of the

No there isn't. That is why women in the Bible are always meant to be under a man! Either their father or a husband.

Precisely, LED by God and Spirit, as opposed to their own carnality. Under God's control and subjection.
 

Simplelogic

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Precisely, LED by God and Spirit, as opposed to their own carnality. Under God's control and subjection.
No….under the man's control. That's what it says. That is why women were never allowed to enter the temple and never were required to show themselves before God in Jerusalem.
 

Unification

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No….under the man's control. That's what it says. That is why women were never allowed to enter the temple and never were required to show themselves before God in Jerusalem.

You are the temple (body) in which the Spirit dwells. They were required to show themselves before God... The heart and mind always needed to be in the right state with God.
 

Unification

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please show me? And you can't use Paul.


Isaiah 1:1-17King James Version (KJV)
1 The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah (HEAD) and Jerusalem (HEART/MIND) in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.

2 Hear, O heavens, (SPIRIT) and give ear, O earth(BODY): for the Lord hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.

3 The ox(BODY/HEART/MIND) knoweth his owner, and the ***(SPIRIT) his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider.

4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the Lord, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.

5 Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole HEAD is sick, and the whole HEART faint.

6 From the sole of the foot even unto the HEAD there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.

7 Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers. (A body of emptiness, desolation, laced with leprocy(sin).

8 And the daughter of Zion is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city. (A body not in subjection to spirit, but besieged by evil fruit within.)

9 Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.
(Kingdoms of slavery to sin within.)

10 Hear the word of the Lord, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.

11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts? (Who told you to sacrifice literal animals? We are the animal and beast and our carnality needs sacrificed... We are the blind and the lame that needs presented to God a prudent body, mind and heart in the right state with God... They were presenting themselves to God with evil inside and murdering literal animals.)

13 Bring no more VAIN (outward, literal, physical) oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them. (The entire law is internal, the genuine and pure approach and submission to God... Surrendering oneself... Brought low, humbled.)

15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
(The altar one builds to the Lord is within themselves... You are the temple of God, and the house of God.)

17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
(Seek equality, relieve the oppressed which is the literal interpretation of law oppressing people itself... The fatherless and widow also are not literal but are ones separated from God, they are not joined to their husbandry which is God(Spirit). ... Judge in just and equal measures.)
 
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