outhouse
Atheistically
He seems to be another blogger with little intellect. His claims unsubstantiated.
More of a anti atheist rant, then anything else.
Your source has no credibility at all.
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Are "New Atheists" Too Obsessed With Religion?
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He seems to be another blogger with little intellect. His claims unsubstantiated.
More of a anti atheist rant, then anything else.
Your source has no credibility at all.
outhouse
Atheistically
To me it is severe ignorance to even claim secular thinking has four horsemen, it is ludicrous.
We have no government, no control, no group, no religion, and no leadership.
Because some people speak up against the dangers of fanaticism and fundamentalism that is crippling education on a global scale, does not make them our leaders.
And I agree with you Luis.
It reminds me of the people who say that "everything indicates that Darwin was a rabid anti-theist".
It is something that some people dearly want to believe, regardless of the lack of any evidence to speak of.
It is something that some people dearly want to believe, regardless of the lack of any evidence to speak of.
Mycroft
Ministry of Serendipity
I wonder if this reflects the frustration that theists have with the way science keeps making discoveries and shrinking the gaps for God?
god's days are certainly numbers. The Human Race will reach a point where it can terraform new worlds, regrow limbs (this is already in its infancy) and travel through the stars. Eventually, there will be nothing magnificent about god, and the concept of it will be meaningless.
gsa
Well-Known Member
Well, his claims are unsubstantiated in the strictest sense of that term, since he doesn't really provide much in the way of concrete examples. I don't think the problem is so much that he has nothing good to say, but that he overstates his case and does so from a skewed vantage point.
The so-called New Atheists have an attitude of intellectual superiority.Are you saying that atheists are intellectually superior?
And why should anyone respect a belief they think is nonsensical?
It's not just the belief that is disrespected, but that people should be allowed to hold such a belief.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Saying somebody has an attitude is very vague. Could you give some specific examples?
Again, examples would be helpful. Who says people shouldn't be allowed to believe in God?
Quite frankly, Willamena, they are holding back.
gsa
Well-Known Member
Well I do think the belief that Yahweh doesn't exist is superior, intellectually, to the belief that he does exist. Does that give me an "intellectual superiority" problem? Or is it just a problem that Christians and Muslims (and some others) believe he exists?
The belief isn't really worthy of respect. The persons holding it are entitled to basic respect and dignity, but that doesn't include being free from having your beliefs questioned. And I haven't heard anyone call for belief in those gods to be criminalized. But nonbelief and belief are not equally tenable positions.
Particularly when belief is largely at odds with itself, given how many mutually exclusive varieties of it exist.
It is just odd to blame atheists for taking the much necessary freedom of belief all the way.
In what way? I did specify which attitude.
For instance, Dawkins was the proponent of the idea that, "Highly intelligent people are mostly atheists."
It is part of the attitude that Gary Wolf talks about in regard to Dawkins.
Obviously it's not a problem for you.
To separate a person from their beliefs or ideas is not a dualism that everyone can buy into.
gsa
Well-Known Member
It isn't a problem because it isn't true. Francis Collins is much smarter than I am, but his belief in evangelical Christianity is inferior to my nonbelief, insofar as truth is some measure of superiority.
We have to separate people from their beliefs. Otherwise we can't have a tolerant and intellectually diverse society.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
I wonder if that if factually correct?
Cephus
Relentlessly Rational
That's because it happens to be true and has been validated in study after study conducted over the past century. Religiosity tends to be inversely proportional to education and intelligence. That Dawkins states that fact as true proves nothing.
Cephus
Relentlessly Rational
The evidence supports it.
And what do you have left when you separate all their beliefs from a person?
Just curious.
Or even periodically correct.
gsa
Well-Known Member
The person. Also, were not talking about everything a person thinks or values. But let me ask you: Do you respect those who disagree with you? Even if you don't respect their beliefs?Seems easy enough to me.
Cephus
Relentlessly Rational
It depends, have they earned any respect? Otherwise, why would you?