Are Progressives like Nazis?

[Kilgore Trout]

Interesting topic in the news today.

Venture Capitalist Compares 'Progressive War On 1 Percent' To Nazi Anti-Semitism

I think that anyone who strongly holds to the ideology of a political party is probably much like your average Nazi, in that it is unlikely that they think for themselves, and will thoughtlessly and readily go along with the decisions and actions of the party, all while demonizing those who don't adhere to their party's ideology. The level of extremity of any party's actions is primarily a matter of the specific historical context, and less a matter of political ideologists of one time being fundamentally any different than political ideologists of another time.

 

[Alceste]

I think that anyone who strongly holds to the ideology of a political party is probably much like your average Nazi, in that it is unlikely that they think for themselves, and will thoughtlessly and readily go along with the decisions and actions of the party, all while demonizing those who don't adhere to their party's ideology. The level of extremity of any party's actions is primarily a matter of the specific historical context, and less a matter of political ideologists of one time being fundamentally any different than political ideologists of another time.

Subtle. Well played, sir.

 

[Revoltingest]

Frankly Revoltingest, you don't cut the mustard. Most of what the occupiers and other realists are complaining about is not with the 1%ers. That just makes for easily consumed jargon.
It is the 0.01%ers who are blindly doing everything they can to hoard the wealth to themselves, with an easily demonstrated ill effect on our infrastucture, on the middle class, on the poor, on our nation, and on democracy itself.
I would say that they "must" be stopped. But it is more to the point of their own short-sightedness to say that they "will" be stopped. It is unavoidable, as their modus operandi cannot sustain itself for the long term. Either 1.-- the nation will collapse;2.-- they can willingly give up their hoards; or 3.--they can "give up" their hoards unwillingly.
You and I, and the likes of Reverend Rick may be in the top 5%, but we aren't even remotely close to the plutocrats in the top 0.01%. We will have no impact on this tale, beyond another set of boots with the 99(.99)% ranks.

Personally, I would hope that we don't need those boots for more than walking to the polling booths en masse.

Actually, I take the Pollyanna view that violent revolution won't happen in my lifetime.
No worries.

 

[raw_thought]

Interesting topic in the news today.

Venture Capitalist Compares 'Progressive War On 1 Percent' To Nazi Anti-Semitism

So, he and his ilk destroyed our economy, stole wealth from those that created it and gave it to gamblers ( wall street) and when we complain we are Nazis??
I guess he is using the Nazi technique of the big lie. Tell a lie so huge that everyone will believe it because it is so outrageous.

 

[Iti oj]

I thank you for this post. People here in the States who live in "poverty" have a greater lifestyle than most world wide. Just one look at the average square foot their air conditioned homes have or how many cars are in the driveway.

.... So?

 

[raw_thought]

.... So?

Agreed! Obviously post 26 is an Example of Non Sequitur
Its like telling a burglary victim ( that just had his house ransacked and almost everything taken) ," hey don't report the crime and/or complain because they didn't take your air conditioner. " A crime is a crime even if you still own an air conditioner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTzMqm2TwgE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM5Ep9fS7Z0
Michael Moore says 400 Americans have more wealth than half of all Americans combined | PolitiFact Wisconsin
I guess each one of those 400 does the equivalent work of 390,000 Americans! They sure did earn it!
I agree with Romney that the wealth creators should be rewarded and not the takers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rodifJlis2c
Romney and the 1% are the takers and not the creators.

 

[Nakosis]

Greed is greed, those that don't have want it. Those that do have want more.
There are individuals. It's generally bad to place all of one group into one category.

Liberal companies like Facebook move their assets oversea to avoid taxes. The rich are rich because they are smarter, at least about money. Certainly smarter then politicians. Of course politicians are greedy too.

You're not going to be able to stop the rich unless you become smarter than them. In which case, who is going to stop you?

The rich are rich because you all support them. Or you support the politicians which support them.

The greed of the 99% allow the existence of the 1%. People go about looking for someone else to fix this. How's that working out?

 

[Nakosis]

I thank you for this post. People here in the States who live in "poverty" have a greater lifestyle than most world wide. Just one look at the average square foot their air conditioned homes have or how many cars are in the driveway.

Yes everyone is selfish. Religion tries to teach us not to be selfish doesn't it?

I'm thinking spirituality, Buddhist monks. Jesus tried to teach selflessness. He got hung on a cross for blaspheme towards God.

Can we defeat human nature?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yes everyone is selfish. Religion tries to teach us not to be selfish doesn't it?

I'm thinking spirituality, Buddhist monks. Jesus tried to teach selflessness. He got hung on a cross for blaspheme towards God.

Can we defeat human nature?

Since when does religion teach people not to be selfish?

As for Jesus, you might want to read his parable of the rich man and Lazarus, where a good man in Heaven is told to ignore the suffering of someone in Hell.

Jesus doesn't tell people to be selfless; he tells them not to be short-sighted in their selfishness. Most of what he taught he backs up with claims of "if you do what I say, you'll get reward in Heaven." It's all about selfishness... or at least self-interest.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Greed is greed, those that don't have want it. Those that do have want more.
There are individuals. It's generally bad to place all of one group into one category.

Liberal companies like Facebook move their assets oversea to avoid taxes. The rich are rich because they are smarter, at least about money. Certainly smarter then politicians. Of course politicians are greedy too.

You're not going to be able to stop the rich unless you become smarter than them. In which case, who is going to stop you?

The rich are rich because you all support them. Or you support the politicians which support them.

The greed of the 99% allow the existence of the 1%. People go about looking for someone else to fix this. How's that working out?

It has nothing to do with being smart or smarter. Far too many mega-corporations have bent regulations and deregulations to systematically funnel money upwards. They have made it so they can artificially inflate prices, terminate employees that "make too much," lower wages,massive layoffs, send jobs over seas, bust up collective bargaining, rely on sweat shops, child labor and slavery, corporate welfare, tax evasion and making false claims about being based in another country even if it's just a P.O. box. Money is not fairly distributed in America; it is not distributed based on how productive you are or how hard you work.

 

[Nakosis]

Since when does religion teach people not to be selfish?

As for Jesus, you might want to read his parable of the rich man and Lazarus, where a good man in Heaven is told to ignore the suffering of someone in Hell.

Jesus doesn't tell people to be selfless; he tells them not to be short-sighted in their selfishness. Most of what he taught he backs up with claims of "if you do what I say, you'll get reward in Heaven." It's all about selfishness... or at least self-interest.

Buddhist and Hindu talk of being self-less. Not letting desire control them.
Jesus selfless in the sense of putting aside desire for personal wealth to help your fellowman.

Whatever your personal views of religion, the point is man has a natural inclination towards greed.

 

[Nakosis]

It has nothing to do with being smart or smarter. Far too many mega-corporations have bent regulations and deregulations to systematically funnel money upwards. They have made it so they can artificially inflate prices, terminate employees that "make too much," lower wages,massive layoffs, send jobs over seas, bust up collective bargaining, rely on sweat shops, child labor and slavery, corporate welfare, tax evasion and making false claims about being based in another country even if it's just a P.O. box. Money is not fairly distributed in America; it is not distributed based on how productive you are or how hard you work.

It is earned based on how smart one is with regard to money. If an employee can generate a lot of money, the company will pay that employee well.

Employees who can't generate a lot of money don't get paid well.

The idea of capitalism is you can choose to work for whoever you want. Even yourself. If you feel you are not being paid fairly, go somewhere that pays better. If noe does and everyone stays at their low paying jobs. If people are willing to work for lower wages then why should they be paid more. It's the employer's fault people agree to work cheap. Stop agreeing, stop letting them do this to you. You're going to blame mega-corporations when they couldn't get away with anything if people didn't let them.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It is earned based on how smart one is with regard to money. If an employee can generate a lot of money, the company will pay that employee well.

Then what of companies who cut people who were in a higher pay grade? Circuit City is one example of such behavior:
Circuit City to fire over 3,400 workers - Business - US business | NBC News

RICHMOND, Va. — A new plan for layoffs at Circuit City is openly targeting better-paid workers, risking a public backlash by implying that its wages are as subject to discounts as its flat-screen TVs.

It's not hard to find more examples.

Employees who can't generate a lot of money don't get paid well.

Anymore, the ones who can generate alot, who end up making more, are only putting their own heads on the chopping block.

The idea of capitalism is you can choose to work for whoever you want. Even yourself. If you feel you are not being paid fairly, go somewhere that pays better. If noe does and everyone stays at their low paying jobs. If people are willing to work for lower wages then why should they be paid more. It's the employer's fault people agree to work cheap. Stop agreeing, stop letting them do this to you. You're going to blame mega-corporations when they couldn't get away with anything if people didn't let them.

Venture into the realm of the working poor and let me know how well this works for you. People are more willing to work for less because they know if they do not agree to it, then they will be making nothing. A significant increase in the jobs since the recession has been in low-wage jobs, and it's because it's the only thing people can get. This just is not the 1950's anymore where you could expect a job for life if you showed up, worked hard, and was rewarded for those years of hard work and service. Today, many places will not even negotiate a starting wage, and getting a raise is just about as hard as getting someone with severe coulrophobia to go willingly to a circus.

 

[Alceste]

It is earned based on how smart one is with regard to money. If an employee can generate a lot of money, the company will pay that employee well.

Employees who can't generate a lot of money don't get paid well.

The idea of capitalism is you can choose to work for whoever you want. Even yourself. If you feel you are not being paid fairly, go somewhere that pays better. If noe does and everyone stays at their low paying jobs. If people are willing to work for lower wages then why should they be paid more. It's the employer's fault people agree to work cheap. Stop agreeing, stop letting them do this to you. You're going to blame mega-corporations when they couldn't get away with anything if people didn't let them.

So basically capitalism is as liberating an economic model as universal prostitution. Yeah you have to ***staff edit***, but you get to choose which one and set your price.

 

[icehorse]

Forgive me if this has been mentioned...

We could make a big dent in this problem if we stopped subsidizing the 1%.

As far as I know, I personally pay more taxes than the giant GE corp. Talk about moochers.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So basically capitalism is as liberating an economic model as universal prostitution. Yeah you have to suck a dick, but you get to choose which one and set your price.

^What she said.

Forgive me if this has been mentioned...

We could make a big dent in this problem if we stopped subsidizing the 1%.

As far as I know, I personally pay more taxes than the giant GE corp. Talk about moochers.

^What he said too. Those corporate welfare whores are one of the biggest burdens on the tax payer even though companies like Wal-Mart, Target, GE and Nestle obviously do not need any sort of financial aid. Socialized corporate expansion, socialized corporate staying put, socialized risks, but privatized profits is a business model that has to go.

 

[s2a]

Interesting topic in the news today.

Venture Capitalist Compares 'Progressive War On 1 Percent' To Nazi Anti-Semitism

Um, no.

LOL.

Thank you for that.

 

[Alceste]

I have iti oj to thank for the fellatio analogy.

 

[Bunyip]

Interesting topic in the news today.

Venture Capitalist Compares 'Progressive War On 1 Percent' To Nazi Anti-Semitism

Well firstly it is an instant fail - Godwin's Law.

Secondly, it is as laughable as it is insencere.

 

[s2a]

Well firstly it is an instant fail - Godwin's Law.

Secondly, it is as laughable as it is insencere.

My second thought, which should have been my first re: Godwin's law.

Bring up Nazi's, you automatically lose.

Automatically.

Don't blame me, it's INTERNET LAW.