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Are prophets sinless, infallible people?
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Sabour
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Well let me just state that my input on this subject would present my own understanding and I am not sure if it is 100 percent accurate.
We as humans have free will to do things or not to do. There are 2 ways one can follow. One is worshiping God and obeying the commandments and doing good deeds, the other way is going against the commandments or doing "bad" things and that is what I call sin.
We as humans are in constant fight with ourselves and try hard not to sin. Prohpets are humans. They also have desires.
Now let us go back when I said there are two ways. The idea that I said there are two ways is because Allah is telling us how to avoid sins. Allah is providing us with a way which is worshiping him. The more you worship Allah and do good deeds, the more you are in strength to follow the commandmets and the more strength you will have to fight your "evil" desires. Because that will always remind you of Allah, heaven, rewards, and what will be waiting for you.
Prophets are people. They have desires. However, they are sharing the message of worshiping God. They are people who used to live the message they are sharing. The more you walk in that way, the less sins you would do.
But still prophets are humans.
For example, once a blind man came to the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and wanted to ask him a question. But the messenger frowned and turned away, I am not sure of the reason why. But some verses were revealed for our prophet on that incident.
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1 The Prophet frowned and turned away
2 Because there came to him the blind man, [interrupting].
3 But what would make you perceive, [O Muhammad], that perhaps he might be purified
4 Or be reminded and the remembrance would benefit him?
Another example is that Adam ate from the tree,
Also Sahih International
11 47 [Noah] said, "My Lord, I seek refuge in You from asking that of which I have no knowledge. And unless You forgive me and have mercy upon me, I will be among the losers."
However, all the prophets sins were minors. Not like the way most people sin because prophets used to live the message they shared with people. They are the most who worship God truly and do God deeds and be patient. They used to repent and ask for forgiveness directly. Besides they were prophets. So we believe that they didn't give us any wrong information. The only information we were given is what Allah wanted us to know and there could be no mistake otherwise they wouldn't have been prophets.
Many scholars say on this that there sins are actually slight mistakes and forgetting or not knowing.
Hope this helps.
One answer as I can see from your profile picture you are wahabi, which I do not have a probleme with it.... I just have a question, if you could find out for me please and give me the answer!? I would really approachiate it, cz I asked a lot of people but always got different confusing answers! In the Sahee Moslem and musnad of Hanbal book there is written that there will be 12 islamic ruler who will rule the islamic world after the prophet and Islam will stay righteous until the hrs having these rulers (judgement day)! Who are these 12 people and who is the ruler now because Islam is still righteous, if there is no ruler now than it contradicts with the Hadith and it means islam is not righteous !?? Who are these 12 people ?
Sabour
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BruceDLimber
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>Are prophets sinless, infallible people?
Propets aren't, no.
God-sent Divine Messengers are (and are also more than just ordinary "people").
Peace,
Bruce
Propets aren't, no.
God-sent Divine Messengers are (and are also more than just ordinary "people").
Peace,
Bruce
>Are prophets sinless, infallible people?
Propets aren't, no.
God-sent Divine Messengers are (and are also more than just ordinary "people").
Peace,
Bruce
And why does not God send messages to ordinary people?
There must always be some intermediary. Someone who talks with God in some hidden place, without witnesses, so that His message is spread.
Doesn't that make you skeptical?
Ciao
- viole
Kind of a silly idea isn't it? Letting someone else suffer the punishment for your wrong-doings? How is this justice?
However lets accept that we are not "perfect". But there's not much I can do about it. I can't decide to be somebody else. Jesus' sacrifice allows me to accept my imperfection. God knows I am not perfect but God loves me anyway.
I've made mistakes, done bad things. I feel guilt. Jesus died to remove our guilt. Our guilt keeps us separate/feeling unworthy of God.
Doesn't matter whether the story is true or not. The mental mechanism works.
Viole, Muslims believe that Jesus peace be upon him according to the Holy Quran is a wonderful, humble, generous messenger of God who came down and revealed God's words to his people, the people of Israel. Muslims do not believe that Jesus is God, nor they believe that God ever chose to come down to earth in a form of a man to die for our sins to purify us and forgive us.
According to Islam, Jesus never died on the cross, nor ever wanted to die on the cross, nor ever was born to die on the cross. Muslims believe that Jesus was sentenced to death, and people thought that he got executed on the cross. The Holy Quran rejects this idea, and claims that it is a false one. Jesus never died on the cross, nor he ever died for anyone's sins. Let us look at what the Holy Quran (The Muslims Holy Scripture) says about this issue:
Let's look at verse 4:156-159 "That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjunction to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them." The false charge against Mary was that she was unchaste. Such a charge is bad enough to make against any woman, but to make it against Mary, the mother of Jesus, was to bring into redicule Allah's power itself. Islam is specially strong in guarding the reputation of women. Slanderers of women are bound to bring four witnesses in support of their accusation, and if they fail to produce four witnesses, they are be flogged with eighty stripes and debarred forever from being competent witnesses.
According to Islam, Jesus never died on the cross, nor ever wanted to die on the cross, nor ever was born to die on the cross. Muslims believe that Jesus was sentenced to death, and people thought that he got executed on the cross. The Holy Quran rejects this idea, and claims that it is a false one. Jesus never died on the cross, nor he ever died for anyone's sins. Let us look at what the Holy Quran (The Muslims Holy Scripture) says about this issue:
Let's look at verse 4:156-159 "That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjunction to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them." The false charge against Mary was that she was unchaste. Such a charge is bad enough to make against any woman, but to make it against Mary, the mother of Jesus, was to bring into redicule Allah's power itself. Islam is specially strong in guarding the reputation of women. Slanderers of women are bound to bring four witnesses in support of their accusation, and if they fail to produce four witnesses, they are be flogged with eighty stripes and debarred forever from being competent witnesses.
Gods creation is beyond imagination , he created Adam from dust! Why is it so hard than to believe that he did created his prophets pure and sinless ? It doesn't make sense if they weren't ! For example if someone tells you not to drink and he drinks himself , would you listen to him?? You wouldn't ! Prophets are chosen by God and God keeps them away from sins! It's wrong to compare us with them!
God gave them the power over the knowledge of the unseen, our prophet knew that his ummah will be devided... They had miracles, Moses , Jesus, mohamad , all of them! Can normal human being do all this?
God gave them the power over the knowledge of the unseen, our prophet knew that his ummah will be devided... They had miracles, Moses , Jesus, mohamad , all of them! Can normal human being do all this?
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BruceDLimber
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No, it doesn't.
And God is perfectly free to speak to whom He wishes (as I would hope is obvious)!
Further, multiple scriptures state: "He shall not be asked of His doings"
which tends rather to eliminate our option to complain merely because we don't necessarily understand His reasons.
And like it or not, it's clearly through these Divine Messengers that God has chosen to reveal the major stages in the single evolving faith, the Faith of God.
Peace,
Bruce
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Jesus wasn't a 'prophet', in the actual sense of the word. In Xianity He isn't considered one.
Prophets, like everyone, aren't infallible.
Prophets, like everyone, aren't infallible.
Sabour
Well-Known Member
And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people.
Luke 24:19
The woman said unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.
John 4:19
They say unto the blind man again, What do you say of him, that he has opened your eyes? He said, He is a prophet.
John 9:17
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
These are descriptive terms, not a title. Prophets aren't divine, Jesus is considered divine in Christianity.
Sabour
Well-Known Member
What do you mean by divine, do you mean he doesn't make mistakes or you mean more than that ?
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Divine, much more than a regular man. Remember, Jesus was said to have been literally born of the Spirit, unto Mary, nothing like a prophet, really.
Christians even generally consider Jesus as part of the Godhead, the trinity.
Sabour
Well-Known Member
Would that make Adam also divine? I think on that bases he would be superior