Trailblazer
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Yea, you should do that if you want to do a thorough investigation.
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Are Religions and Gods manmade?
- Thread starter PAUL MARKHAM
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Trailblazer
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Baha'u'llah had a big effect and still does. Read the history.
Baha'u'llah's father was a Muslim.
PAUL MARKHAM
Well-Known Member
We have the evidence you've posted and rejected it. You admit to having no evidence sometimes.
PAUL MARKHAM
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A run of the mill Muslim or a Muslim priest or teacher?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
But that tells us nothing about God, nothing that we need to know.
It is not about what appeals to me, it is about reality. Reality is that we get knowledge of God from Messengers of God. I cannot Discover God on my own I have no access to God. I have to do much, I have to know what God has revealed and try to live the life I have been enjoined to live No, it is not the promise of eternal bliss. No, I don't think I am better than anyone else. There is nothing petty in what Baha'u'llah revealed.
I know God exists so it is a fact to me. What I meant is that it is not a fact to everyone, not an established fact.
You are running into beliefs from every angle because you have no facts about God. You only believe that you have facts. You only believe that you got a response from God. The way we know it is a belief is that you have no proof.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Sorry you did not like the evidence. I never admitted to having no evidence.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I do not know. You'd have to do some research in order to find out.
ppp
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I admit that you have no evidence.
By the time Genesis was written? Probably. The ancients I’m sure found out pretty quickly that wood could float.. But I’ve found from my research, the ideal ratios of L=30:W=5:H=3 have only been in use since near our modern age (around the 1600’s), especially in the construction of non-powered, free-floating barges... basically what the Ark was.
If these ratios had been in use for millennia, ancient writings like the Epic of Gilgamesh for example would have revealed it...not some bobbing box as described.
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This has no significant bearing on what I wrote. What does “tsunamis come from earthquakes” mean? You’re not aware that an asteroid-caused tsunami was at one time a hypothesis used to explain the “12,000-yo” megafauna extinctions?
Scientists simply say they “do not know” what caused the Pleistocene extinctions.....
Population reconstructions for humans and megafauna suggest mixed causes for North American Pleistocene extinctions | Nature Communications
By “neglecting” to apply the Global Flood model as a possible cause to explain the evidence / facts, they will continue to remain ignorant.
Science can’t ‘afford’ to allow a God hypothesis to be considered as an explanation for anything....even though with almost every scientific discovery, materialism is faced with more and more ‘unexplainable’ gaps.
Lol.
joelr
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The Epic says the ship was 120 cubits in length.
But even the ancient Greeks were known for incredible ship building technology. It's not hard to understand that building ships was mastered by many cultures.
Even an apologetics site could only conclude the ark may have had reasonable safety.
"In conclusion, the Ark as a drifting ship, is thus believed to have had a reasonable-beam-draft ratio for the safety of the hull, crew and cargo in the high winds and waves imposed on it by the Genesis Flood."
Safety Investigation of Noah’s Ark in a Seaway
There are many many more factors that go into building ships but we do not even know exactly what an ancient "cubit" was.
Your "research" is suspect because you don't source any of it but it the ratios in the OT myth were of any value then the Romans would have used them in 3AD when they adopted Christianity.
Either way the Epic, Noah and the 100 other flood myths are not historical records but mythic fiction about Gods destroying humanity. So even if decent ratios were used this doesn't make myths real. Marvel comics could write a story about a ship and use correct dimensions. The flood myths were obviously shared by all cultures going back 4000 years. The Israelite version came sometime after 1000 BC.
joelr
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Your source article lists several reasons for an extinction, none of them are a flood.
You are wrong about scientists investigating a worldwide flood as there are endless articles and investigations that demonstrate there is no evidence for a worldwide flood. Where exactly would the water go?
Do you expect science to make new discoveries and then say "ok everything else we don't know....that's God"
How exactly does ancient fiction explain anything?
joelr
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Because in the real world, where we try to discover what is actually true, these things are worth discussing to see what knowledge people have.
This evidence you post is far far worse than any religious belief I have ever seen. But that is how to be sure, to find out what people believe.
Self, revelation, words - all confirmation bias. A guy claims to be something, writes a bunch of flowery nonsense plus some good humanist philosophy (none of which wasn't already around) and believers say that is the evidence? Well, thanks that takes care of that.
Prophecy - read the book, all vague nonsense and not one impressive prediction. Predicting war in Germany after a war while all political analysists were predicting a larger war? Wow. Bad science? Not one single mention of anything scientific or mathematical that was not yet discovered? Not one single advancement in medical science.
Bible prophecy - there are over 200 statements made by Yahweh that did not come to pass. Not by Jesus or Baha'i. Fitting him into predictions of the 2nd coming of Jesus is adding a myth on top of a myth.
joelr
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Same reason I'm now talking about Baha'i. Evaluating evidence. And to help voice critical thinking. I read the book on Baha'i evidence. Were any of it impressive I would say. It's absolutely awful and I mentioned several things.I agree that is generally true. Then why do you spend so much time talking about the Bible?
joelr
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http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/GWB/gwb-153.html.utf8?query=thirsty&action=highlight#gr8
A man in the 1800's re-wrtes the Hindu concept of the physical world being maya/illusion and you quote it as if it's from a God. That is living in a fantasy world.
If you say it's real demonstrate this is from a God. All of the evidence shows he was just a man.
Now he's re-writing sayings from the gospels. He's a writer. Not impressive in a supernatural way. Not at all.
The fantasy world you are living in is remarkable clear at this point because you just re-posted a link to this book which I already read and bothered to debunk several things in an earlier post. Your response is to re-post the link. Hello fantasy world.
Let's continue. To sum up a god-messenger one must:
"Such a person should be able correctly to describe events of the future: Baha'u'llah did this. Such a person should understand scientific facts not yet discovered in His time: Baha'u'llah did this. Such a person should possess skills not acquired in any school and display a deep understanding of spiritual and social problems beyond the experience of His learned contemporaries: Baha'u'llah did these things."
He completely botched several scientific concepts. Evolution, humans/homo sapien lineage, thinks "humidity" is in a h20 molecule, thinks life is on every planet, believes in numerology, doesn't understand base 10 mathematics is not the only number system and applies magic power to 4 and 5. This goes on but the real factor here is he does not add one single scientific concept to his writings that over the next 100 years was about to explode onto the scientific world.
He doesn't know any new science, math, medical advice, nothing. Yet the author of this book claims he does.
This is called "living in a fantasy world."
His understanding of spiritual issues is not by any means beyond general Eastern philosophy and is just a generalization of the better humanist concepts from a few Western religions.
as far as Western philosophy goes he is a beginner.
Followers accept pure BS in the idea that all 9 religions he mentions have prophecies that predict him. But only a re-imagined, re-worded and completely hacked up version. But that somehow counts as "prophecy fulfillment"?
This is an imagined fantasy.
joelr
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Actually I do have an idea because I am talking to you on a forum. You also continue to post the same "evidence" over and over which is clearly crank so based on this I DO have an idea. Have you actual evidence then feel free to post it.
Well there you go. A vague circular proof is what you are using. Bad evidence.
http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/GWB/gwb-20.html
Oh boy. There it is again. You know he is an actual messenger of God because HE SAYS God can only speak through a manifestation and HE IS THE GUY?
This is literally "it's true because it's true".
You evidence has gotten worse to the point of absurdity.
Oh my god, not this book again. Did you actually read it? Bad science and circular arguments. Did critical thinking skip that year?
PAUL MARKHAM
Well-Known Member
So are you.
PAUL MARKHAM
Well-Known Member
There is proof the Flood never happened in DNA of all species and the lack of a layer of bones. Who cares if the boat could float?
Grief! You’re not even understanding what I’m saying.
So-long.
There are numerous posters here now that want naught to do with God.
RF is becoming a very anti R place.
It has only really just begun, the ripples of godlessness are going through France and Europe now.
Regards Tony
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