Are Religions and Gods manmade?

[Hockeycowboy]

There is proof the Flood never happened in DNA of all species....

Yeah, you’ve said before....still w/o providing references.

....and the lack of a layer of bones.

And I showed otherwise. I think I gave you evidence to check out, too.
Here it is again from a different source:

What really happened to mammoths and other ice age giants

Summation: Scientists say, “we don’t know; we can’t agree.”

When they say “climate change”, they’re close...it was just very extreme!

 

[Hockeycowboy]

There are numerous posters here now that want naught to do with God.

RF is becoming a very anti R place.

It has only really just begun, the ripples of godliness are going through France and Europe now.

Regards Tony

Yes, I think I’m noticing the change, too. It’s a scary world out there!


You take care of yourself, my cousin!

(Question: did you mean godliness, or godlessness?)

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes, I think I’m noticing the change, too. It’s a scary world out there!


You take care of yourself, my cousin!

(Question: did you mean godliness, or godlessness?)

Yes spell check got me Godlessness is correct.

It appears we need to forget God before the light again shines.

I know you see it differently, but either way, the change is happening.

All the best to you and your JW community.

Regards Tony

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

There is proof the Flood never happened in DNA of all species and the lack of a layer of bones. Who cares if the boat could float?

DNA of Africans proves the Flood never happened.
DNA of the rest proves the Flood never happened.

The recent African origin paradigm suggests that the anatomically modern humans outside of Africa descend from a population of Homo sapiens migrating from East Africa roughly 70–50,000 years ago and spreading along the southern coast of Asia and to Oceania by about 50,000 years ago.
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Where did the bones disappear to, where did the water disappear to?

There are explanations for the Flood stories. Rising seawater following an end to the last Ice Age, Tsunamis, and just devastating floods. Which still happen today.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Yeah, you’ve said before....still w/o providing references.


And I showed otherwise. I think I gave you evidence to check out, too.
Here it is again from a different source:

What really happened to mammoths and other ice age giants

Summation: Scientists say, “we don’t know; we can’t agree.”

When they say “climate change”, they’re close...it was just very extreme!

Your link doesn't include the word Flood, so it tells the story of why animals went extinct.

Megafauna - Wikipedia. No mention of a flood.

Scientists are pretty sure of what happened because they have evidence. You have a bible myth that's wrong.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Yes, I think I’m noticing the change, too. It’s a scary world out there!


You take care of yourself, my cousin!

(Question: did you mean godliness, or godlessness?)

A scarier time is and was when religions rule the people.

It doesn't take long before some decide to execute those who disagree.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Do you expect science to make new discoveries and then say "ok everything else we don't know....that's God"

That's been the Modus Operandi of theists for centuries, ever since we had Darwin explain how species formed. Every time someone adds something to Darwins theory they claim Darwin is wrong and their bible myths are right.

Even though the number of scientists who say the bible is right gets smaller every year and now runs at a few %.

 

[Muffled]

And that would be your religion. LOL

Is it Jesus or the religion created by others that use him as a figurehead?

I believe my personal religious beliefs are, but the Christian religion can have some man made interpretations of what God said. I would include Judaism and Islam as having an origin in God and both have man made elements as well.

I believe it varies.

 

[Muffled]

BTW, I was not referring to predictions Baha'u'llah made, I was referring yo prophecies that were fulfilled by His Coming.

I believe there are no prophecies fulfilled by the B man.

 

[Muffled]

No, I don’t. I’m OEC. Those creative days were not literal. The Hebrew ‘yom’, used here, can mean an unspecified length of time. In understanding that, all it takes is common sense. On the 6th day, too much was going on, for it to be a literal 24 hours.

Jehovah God said in Genesis 2 18, “It is not good for the man to be by himself.” (After only a few hours? Unlikely.)

Then, in Vs.23, after Eve was created, Adam said “This is at last bone of my bone...” Or “This is now bone of my bone...”.

The text indicates that some time had gone by.....all on the 6th day.

I do not believe the 6th day creation is the same one as the Adam and Eve creations.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I believe my personal religious beliefs are, but the Christian religion can have some man made interpretations of what God said. I would include Judaism and Islam as having an origin in God and both have man made elements as well.

I believe it varies.

There are good things in the bibles. Do not kill, rob, bear false witness, there are stories that teach us to love our neighbour, etc.

The original concept of religion being about a god is wrong.

 

[Trailblazer]

I believe there are no prophecies fulfilled by the B man.

I believe that all the prophecies were fulfilled by Baha'u'llah, as delineated in the following book:

William Sears, Thief in the Night

 

[Trailblazer]

So are you.

That's right, but the difference is that I admit they are beliefs, and @ Bird123 doesn't admit that is all he has.
He calls beliefs facts.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I believe that all the prophecies were fulfilled by Baha'u'llah, as delineated in the following book:

William Sears, Thief in the Night

Rather than giving us a book. Tell us what prophecies and when they were fulfilled.

Apart from predicting future wars which is easy. Getting the exact dates, places, casualties, would be a great indication of a fulfilled prophecy.

Then the rise and fall of empires. Something that's been happening since the Sumerians. Again exact dates, reasons and consequences would be a clever trick.

As for these can you tell us when, where and how they are fulfilled?
The establishment of a World Commonwealth,
A ruler who will raise up the Baháʼí Faith,
The Lesser Peace,
Signs for the coming of age of the human race
Life on every planet

 

[Trailblazer]

Rather than giving us a book. Tell us what prophecies and when they were fulfilled.

Apart from predicting future wars which is easy. Getting the exact dates, places, casualties, would be a great indication of a fulfilled prophecy.

I am referring to prophecies in the Bible that were fulfilled by the coming of Baha'u'llah, not predictions that Baha'u'llah made. Those Bible prophecies and how they were fulfilled are in the book.

 

[Trailblazer]

This evidence you post is far far worse than any religious belief I have ever seen.

I am not posting Bible prophecies fulfilled by the coming of Baha'u'llah or predictions that Baha'u'llah made and claiming that is "the evidence." It is other people on this forum who are trying to USE those as evidence, but that is not the evidence that Baha'u'llah told us to look at.

Happy trails.

 

[Trailblazer]

Same reason I'm now talking about Baha'i. Evaluating evidence. And to help voice critical thinking. I read the book on Baha'i evidence. Were any of it impressive I would say. It's absolutely awful and I mentioned several things.

We all have our personal opinions but that is not evidence of anything at all.

 

[Trailblazer]

A man in the 1800's re-wrtes the Hindu concept of the physical world being maya/illusion and you quote it as if it's from a God.

Now he's re-writing sayings from the gospels.

Baha'u'llah did not copy older scriptures. He received His own Revelation from God.
That is my belief, a belief I am 100% certain is true.

The problem is when you assert personal opinions as facts when you have no proof of them.
When you make assertions you cannot prove are true that is an argument from ignorance.

This is an imagined fantasy.

Believe what you want to believe, we all have beliefs. I believe everything Baha'u'llah wrote is reality.

You can do me no harm with your beliefs because I know what the truth is, even though I cannot prove it to you.
It is not my job to prove my beliefs are true.

 

[Trailblazer]

Have you actual evidence then feel free to post it.

Actual evidence.

Happy trails.

 

[Bird123]

But that tells us nothing about God, nothing that we need to know.

It is not about what appeals to me, it is about reality. Reality is that we get knowledge of God from Messengers of God. I cannot Discover God on my own I have no access to God. I have to do much, I have to know what God has revealed and try to live the life I have been enjoined to live No, it is not the promise of eternal bliss. No, I don't think I am better than anyone else. There is nothing petty in what Baha'u'llah revealed.

I know God exists so it is a fact to me. What I meant is that it is not a fact to everyone, not an established fact.

You are running into beliefs from every angle because you have no facts about God. You only believe that you have facts. You only believe that you got a response from God. The way we know it is a belief is that you have no proof.

Your quote:You only believe that you got a response from God. The way we know it is a belief is that you have no proof.
My Answer: Then you are saying you do not exist.
You can't have it both ways. In reality, you exist, God exists. I have my proof, but you have no proof so you label it as a belief.

You discount it simply because it goes against your beliefs. I point you to where you can Discover the proof for yourself, yet you do not want proof. You want your beliefs regardless of whether they are true. I ask WHY?

Do not discount a visit from God. It is something no one has the capability of duplicating.

your quote:It is not about what appeals to me, it is about reality.
My Answer: You are not true to yourself. That is why I asked all those questions. It is an attempt to get you to analyze yourself and why you are choosing to make beliefs your reality.

Sadly, I think you blindly accept and getting you to think or analyze will be hard because it is not what you want to see.

You might be happy in a box of other's beliefs, however I could never be happy settling for beliefs.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!