Are Religions and Gods manmade?

[Trailblazer]

My quote:You only believe that you got a response from God. The way we know it is a belief is that you have no proof.
Your Answer: Then you are saying you do not exist.
You can't have it both ways. In reality, you exist, God exists. I have my proof, but you have no proof so you label it as a belief.

You have no proof that God exists. That I exist is not proof.

You discount it simply because it goes against your beliefs.

You believe it because it goes with your beliefs.

I point you to where you can Discover the proof for yourself, yet you do not want proof. You want your beliefs regardless of whether they are true. I ask WHY?

Because I know my beliefs are true.

Do not discount a visit from God. It is something no one has the capability of duplicating.

I do not believe God goes on visits but you are free to believe whatever you want to; just don't state beliefs as facts, because facts can be proven and what you believe cannot be proven.

my quote:It is not about what appeals to me, it is about reality.
Your Answer: You are not true to yourself. That is why I asked all those questions. It is an attempt to get you to analyze yourself and why you are choosing to make beliefs your reality.

Why do you make your beliefs your reality?

You might be happy in a box of other's beliefs, however I could never be happy settling for beliefs.

Yet you are in a box of beliefs, your own beliefs.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

You have no proof that God exists. That I exist is not proof.

You believe it because it goes with your beliefs.

Because I know my beliefs are true.

I do not believe God goes on visits but you are free to believe whatever you want to; just don't state beliefs as facts, because facts can be proven and what you believe cannot be proven.

Why do you make your beliefs your reality?

Yet you are in a box of beliefs, your own beliefs.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

Stay within your box of beliefs. I make no demands. I point the way for those ready. There will come a time when truth will become more important to you. On the other hand, it may not be in this lifetime.

There is much for you to learn before you are ready. Still, truth has been placed in your lap. What you decide to do with truth is entirely up to you. Your journey has never been up to me.

God places Truth and Knowledge around us all. It waits to be Discovered. God makes no demands. I merely copy God.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Trailblazer]

There will come a time when truth will become more important to you. On the other hand, it may not be in this lifetime.

Truth is important to me, and that is why I am a Baha'i.

The Truth about God, from God, is found in the Revelation of Baha'u'llah.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I am referring to prophecies in the Bible that were fulfilled by the coming of Baha'u'llah, not predictions that Baha'u'llah made. Those Bible prophecies and how they were fulfilled are in the book.

So what are the prophecies in the bible that came true with Bahaullah?

Saying you fulfilled certain prophecies in the bible isn't exactly rocket science and there's the flaw.

I read Sears here. Audio:William Sears/Applying Christian Prophecy to Bahá’u’lláh - Bahaiworks, a library of works about the Bahá’í Faith

Just flowery talk telling us he fulfilled the prophecies, without mentioning what those prophecies are. I'll admit I didn't read the whole thing but if you say he fulfilled prophecies it would be good to tell us what those prophecies were.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I am not posting Bible prophecies fulfilled by the coming of Baha'u'llah or predictions that Baha'u'llah made and claiming that is "the evidence." It is other people on this forum who are trying to USE those as evidence, but that is not the evidence that Baha'u'llah told us to look at.

Happy trails.

You should be eager to share it, if you believe it and not afraid of it being shot down.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

You have no proof that God exists. That I exist is not proof.

You believe it because it goes with your beliefs.

Because I know my beliefs are true.

I do not believe God goes on visits but you are free to believe whatever you want to; just don't state beliefs as facts, because facts can be proven and what you believe cannot be proven.

Why do you make your beliefs your reality?

Yet you are in a box of beliefs, your own beliefs.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

You can't prove god exists, you can't even prove Adam, Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus existed.

What we can do is prove that a lot of the things written in the bibles are superstitious beliefs of Neolithic and Bronze Age Man. Such as;

Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, Garden of Eden, Cain gets a wife from the next village.
Abraham nothing that's written about him is proven.
Noah, no flood, no Ark, no animals 2 by 2, no family told to go forth and multiply.
Moses, nothing of him in the Egyptian records. No loss of an army in the Red Sea. There is evidence the plagues were a natural event.
Jesus, no one taking notes when he's alive. Only people following him trying to establish a new religion.
Sodom and Gomorrah, never happened the way it's told in the bible.
Jericho's walls were always falling down due to earthquakes.

 

[Trailblazer]

I read Sears here. Audio:William Sears/Applying Christian Prophecy to Bahá’u’lláh - Bahaiworks, a library of works about the Bahá’í Faith

Just flowery talk telling us he fulfilled the prophecies, without mentioning what those prophecies are. I'll admit I didn't read the whole thing but if you say he fulfilled prophecies it would be good to tell us what those prophecies were.

The prophecies and exactly how they were fulfilled is all in the book Thief in the Night by William Sears.

 

[Trailblazer]

You should be eager to share it, if you believe it and not afraid of it being shot down.

I have already shared it many times, and I am not afraid of being shot down because I know who Baha'u'llah was.
I have known that for 50 years.

I put that post abut the claims and the evidence in a central location:

Questions for knowledgeable Bahai / followers of Baha'u'llah

 

[Trailblazer]

You can't prove god exists, you can't even prove Adam, Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus existed.

What we can do is prove that a lot of the things written in the bibles are superstitious beliefs of Neolithic and Bronze Age Man. Such as;

I never said I could prove that God exists, but that does not mean I do not know that God exists.

You are right that you can prove a lot of the things written in the bibles are superstitious beliefs, but why bother? The Bible is all history now and it won't get you any closer to knowing if God exists, IF that is something that matters to you.

 

[CG Didymus]

The Truth about God, from God, is found in the Revelation of Baha'u'llah.

And, right now, only in the revelation of Baha'u'llah? No one else has spiritual truth? And if you say all the revealed religions have the truth from God, which ones, right now, are believing and teaching the real truth about who God is and what he wants?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And, right now, only in the revelation of Baha'u'llah? No one else has spiritual truth? And if you say all the revealed religions have the truth from God, which ones, right now, are believing and teaching the real truth about who God is and what he wants?

The Messenger holds the Power of God in their person and Message.

No one else does and the Message that has the power is the one given in that age.

Embrace one, you embrace them all, they are timeless.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

So what are the prophecies in the bible that came true with Bahaullah?

She's quoted the ones about the earthquake, the stars falling and the dark day. You gotta read about those. So convincing... not. All of them happened years before The Bab declared himself. And they all were no where near Persia. The earthquake was in Portugal. A meteor shower in North America was the stars falling. And the dark day I think Bill Sears said was smoke. We had a day like that here with all the fires in Northern California. And Portland was pretty dark after Mt. St. Helens erupted and blew up.

A Baha'i favorite is about how Baha'u'llah was exiled from place to place. The Bible quote says Assyria, but Baha'is say that the ancient Assyrian Empire included Persia. So a little fudging there. But then lots of translations say "They" and not "he" will come to you from the mountains and the seas and some other places. The Jewish interpretation says that the "they" that this is talking about is the Jewish people taken into foreign lands will return to Israel. But who knows? Nobody. And even TB doesn't put a lot of stock in prophecies, because they are so vague and can be interpreted so many different ways.

 

[CG Didymus]

The Messenger holds the Power of God in their person and Message.

No one else does and the Message that has the power is the one given in that age.

Embrace one, you embrace them all, they are timeless.

Regards Tony

Okay, before Muhammad came, what truth was the Christian Church teaching? Did the power leave Buddhism in India and East Asian when the next messenger came? Did Buddhism hold power over all the previous messages when the Buddha came? No, the religions kept doing what they do. Teaching and believing the things they do as if it was the truth. The end time predictions of the NT makes it sound like the people of the Earth will have no choice. The end comes suddenly. Evil people are destroyed. The evil one is destroyed, and God establishes his kingdom. That's not exactly what happened. Baha'u'llah came and went and we're still going through the tribulations. When the new race of men and world peace happens, then... you'll have something. Right now, it's only a "maybe". You might be right, but you might be wrong... and nothing more than another religion that gets added to the list of the many religions of the world.

 

[Trailblazer]

And, right now, only in the revelation of Baha'u'llah? No one else has spiritual truth? And if you say all the revealed religions have the truth from God, which ones, right now, are believing and teaching the real truth about who God is and what he wants?

I did not say that the Truth about God is found only in the Revelation of Baha'u'llah.

I said: The Truth about God, from God, is found in the Revelation of Baha'u'llah.

All the revealed religions have the Truth about God, but is a heck of a lot easier to find it in the Writings of Baha'u'llah because you do not have to make your way through a bunch if stories to find it.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Okay, before Muhammad came, what truth was the Christian Church teaching? Did the power leave Buddhism in India and East Asian when the next messenger came? Did Buddhism hold power over all the previous messages when the Buddha came? No, the religions kept doing what they do. Teaching and believing the things they do as if it was the truth. The end time predictions of the NT makes it sound like the people of the Earth will have no choice. The end comes suddenly. Evil people are destroyed. The evil one is destroyed, and God establishes his kingdom. That's not exactly what happened. Baha'u'llah came and went and we're still going through the tribulations. When the new race of men and world peace happens, then... you'll have something. Right now, it's only a "maybe". You might be right, but you might be wrong... and nothing more than another religion that gets added to the list of the many religions of the world.

The past is the past CG, what we need is to see how we live God's Word in this age.

".. The All-Knowing Physician hath His finger on the pulse of mankind. He perceiveth the disease, and prescribeth, in His unerring wisdom, the remedy. Every age hath its own problem, and every soul its particular aspiration. The remedy the world needeth in its present-day afflictions can never be the same as that which a subsequent age may require. Be anxiously concerned with the needs of the age ye live in, and center your deliberations on its exigencies and requirements.... "

The remainder of that quote tells us what we are facing CG, I can say no more than this passage offeres.

"...... We can well perceive how the whole human race is encompassed with great, with incalculable afflictions. We see it languishing on its bed of sickness, sore-tried and disillusioned. They that are intoxicated by self-conceit have interposed themselves between it and the Divine and infallible Physician. Witness how they have entangled all men, themselves included, in the mesh of their devices. They can neither discover the cause of the disease, nor have they any knowledge of the remedy. They have conceived the straight to be crooked, and have imagined their friend an enemy.
Incline your ears to the sweet melody of this Prisoner. Arise, and lift up your voices, that haply they that are fast asleep may be awakened. Say: O ye who are as dead! The Hand of Divine bounty proffereth unto you the Water of Life. Hasten and drink your fill. Whoso hath been re-born in this Day, shall never die; whoso remaineth dead, shall never live..... "

That is what we all face, the way I see it.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

The past is the past CG, what we need is to see how we live God's Word in this age.

And we cannot really do that unless we leave the past behind.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And we cannot really do that unless we leave the past behind.

Yes, and most importantly learn from it. Reflect on how the rejection of God's Manifestation has happened in every age and yet they consider it not possible in this age.

Strange, very strange. Regards Tony

 

[joelr]

Grief! You’re not even understanding what I’m saying.
So-long.

Yes you think because the article doesn't say flood they don't think a flood was possible. It's because there is no evidence of a flood during that extinction period. It has been studied many times.
They also don't say Shiva might have been the cause of an extinction (she likes destruction) or Zeus killed everything with lightning. Things in stories are not considered as science explanations unless there is evidence.

 

[joelr]

There are numerous posters here now that want naught to do with God.

RF is becoming a very anti R place.

It has only really just begun, the ripples of godlessness are going through France and Europe now.

Regards Tony

Oh man, I'm sorry, I thought I was in a forum for general religious debates?

Did you think religious debates mean you argue who worships harder?

 

[joelr]

Yes, and most importantly learn from it. Reflect on how the rejection of God's Manifestation has happened in every age and yet they consider it not possible in this age.

Strange, very strange. Regards Tony

It's not possible in any age unless good evidence is demonstrated. If I'm going to believe on crap evidence then I'm believing in Thor.