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Are Religions and Gods manmade?

Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Bird123 said:
I have been pointing, telling you I can not do it for you. You wait for others to serve it up to you for your acceptance. If you really want proof, I have pointed the way. If you don't, you can find a million excuses not to do anything.

You ignore so much of what stares you in the face. You close your mind and narrow your view from possibilities that will lead you forward. Clearly, you are happy to sit within a box of beliefs, satisfied you have reached the end.

You have much to Discover and work through before you are ready to Discover anything. That is perfectly OK. There is no time limit on learning. When you are ready maybe a Light will catch your eye.
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It seems to me that you like to talk about me a lot, you, you, you, stating where I am at and what I need to do.
You know what I need to do in order to see the Light.
You seem to think you know everything about me. What is that called?

That's what I see. It's very clear!!
 
joelr

joelr

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Hockeycowboy said:
The entire argument against the Flood that you posted, is predicated on acceptance of Young-Earth Creationism, a false presumption.
So really, you and others are rejecting the Flood, based on wrong presuppositions....more than one...

1) YEC is inaccurate! And
2) the waters needed to ‘cover the mountains’ were no “5 miles high”, as falsely asserted by some.

I myself have explained that...many times.

I noticed you didn’t answer my questions. Why not? Because you can’t answer them!
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First of all there are mammals found in permafrost from 10,000 years ago, 20,000 years and even 40,000 years.
So it's obvious that this happens regardless of a flood.
Even if we had no explanation we don't look to Greek myths, Hindu creation stories or Israelite myths to find answers to what happened in the past. They are myths. Every culture has similar myths and none are actual things that happened in history.

Again, Noah's Ark is a direct copy of the Mesopotamian flood myth from way before the Israelites were a people.

There is no argument based on assumptions of creationism, that is a fiction you have made up or read about on a creationist site.
Science does work based on evidence. Modern geology studies flood related science by looking at erosion, Geochronology, geochemistry, rock features and many other properties that can be studied. None of these are making assumptions about creationism because they do not care. They only care about what the evidence is showing.
But even if we do not have any science that shows we did or did not have a worldwide flood this does not matter because the flood myth (and all world flood myths) are fictional stories. We don't study mountaintops to see which one Zeus probably lived on or study lightning to understand Zeus powers.
Your flood story is a copy-cat myth in a bunch of other stories that we know did not happen. In the 1970's Thomas Thompson's PhD work was accepted into the archeology field and considered the consensus. He proved that Moses and the Patriarchs were a myth.
Archeologists will confirm Exodus is a myth, the OT is not even written as history and it gets much worse for the NT.
So looking for science in Greek Epics or Israelite myths is a dead end. The OT is just a collection of Mesopotamian myths and then Persian myths were added in the 2nd temple period which influenced Christianity.
 
joelr

joelr

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The author of the book that tries to show Bah'i as a messenger of God-
To sum up a god-messenger one must:

"Such a person should be able correctly to describe events of the future: Baha'u'llah did this. Such a person should understand scientific facts not yet discovered in His time: Baha'u'llah did this. Such a person should possess skills not acquired in any school and display a deep understanding of spiritual and social problems beyond the experience of His learned contemporaries: Baha'u'llah did these things."

Yet he completely botched several scientific concepts. Evolution, humans/homo sapien lineage, thinks "humidity" is in a h20 molecule, thinks life is on every planet, believes in numerology, doesn't understand base 10 mathematics is not the only number system and applies magic power to 4 and 5. This goes on but the real factor here is he does not add one single scientific concept to his writings that over the next 100 years was about to explode onto the scientific world.
He doesn't know any new science, math, medical advice, nothing. Yet the author of this book claims he does.
He said this person should UNDERSTAND FACTS NOT YET DISCOVERED. He did not. He did misunderstand every single scientific concept that he brought up however
So this is a fail in both ways.

His understanding of spiritual issues is not by any means beyond general Eastern philosophy and is just a generalization of the better humanist concepts from a few Western religions.
as far as Western philosophy goes he is a beginner. All of the social and religious issues he mentions were being taught in schools around the world. But the Western Philosophy being taught in schools far exceeds his intellect.
This is another clear violation of what a God-messenger should be according to the evidence posted.
He has literally zero knowledge of Western philosophy, next to Kant his writings are like that of a high school student.
His contribution to ethics and political theory are far below even what Kant introduced. And Kant was a man who didn't claim to be some God-messenger.
Hume, Descartes, Spinoza, and so many others writings are so much more groundbreaking and dense with intellect and philosophy that it's sad that this is what attracts peoples attention. Because he does the "God is sending me messages" thing.

Followers accept more pure BS in the idea that all 9 religions he mentions have prophecies that predict him. But only a re-imagined, re-worded and completely hacked up version. But that somehow counts as "prophecy fulfillment"?
This is an imagined fantasy.
These are a few of the errors in the book. This book was posted as evidence and was suggested to be read for that purpose. So I did and am shocked at the things people fall for.
 
PAUL MARKHAM

PAUL MARKHAM

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joelr said:
The author of the book that tries to show Bah'i as a messenger of God-
To sum up a god-messenger one must:

"Such a person should be able correctly to describe events of the future: Baha'u'llah did this. Such a person should understand scientific facts not yet discovered in His time: Baha'u'llah did this. Such a person should possess skills not acquired in any school and display a deep understanding of spiritual and social problems beyond the experience of His learned contemporaries: Baha'u'llah did these things."
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Bahaullah didn't predict the Atom Bomb.
He only predicted future wars in places he knew there had been wars and the countries were gearing up to go again.
 
PAUL MARKHAM

PAUL MARKHAM

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Trailblazer said:
That does not mean that God has any interest in convincing anyone.

God wants belief to be a free choice.
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Tell us about all the religious sects that aren't interested in converting more people?

It's impossible to know what a god wants, you've told us enough times.
 
PAUL MARKHAM

PAUL MARKHAM

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1,000s of years ago religions were useful. They brought people together to build massive projects, built communities, maintained strict moral and ethical codes by a god who could see everything. So Men created the different versions of religions and gods to suit the people.

Today they're not required in modern countries, we have laws, police forces and huge companies and government to build anything we need.

The only requirement they have is to give some the comfort that when they die they go to another place. Society can't fix that need. I believe when you die everything gets switched off. There's no soul, spirit or whatever. This is a one-shot chance at life.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
PAUL MARKHAM said:
1,000s of years ago religions were useful. They brought people together to build massive projects, built communities, maintained strict moral and ethical codes by a god who could see everything. So Men created the different versions of religions and gods to suit the people.

Today they're not required in modern countries, we have laws, police forces and huge companies and government to build anything we need.
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I agree.
PAUL MARKHAM said:
I believe when you die everything gets switched off. There's no soul, spirit or whatever. This is a one-shot chance at life.
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I disagree.
 
PAUL MARKHAM

PAUL MARKHAM

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Trailblazer said:
I fully agree, because all they have is old scriptures that were written for the past.

Me too, and I think the Baha'i Faith has those solutions.

If Biden wins, you will see those solutions begin to unfold.
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Baha'is also worship the past. Up to 1,000s of years ago with them declaring messengers. And 200 years ago with the Bab.

What solutions?

Biden is a fool and will do as he's told by groups that spend $billions getting and keeping him in power. Anyone who thinks a handful of American Baha'is will have any effect on US politics is fooling only themselves. I mean that very respectfully but it's true.
 
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