Are Religions and Gods manmade?

[Trailblazer]

Baha'is also worship the past. Up to 1,000s of years ago with them declaring messengers. And 200 years ago with the Bab.

NO, we do not worship the past. We look towards the future.

What solutions?

The solutions are all on the Baha'i Writings.

Biden is a fool and will do as he's told by groups that spend $billions getting and keeping him in power.

You are so negative. I find that sad.

Biden is a sincere human being who wants what is best for this country. He wants to unite this country, which is congruent with the message of Baha'u'llah.

Anyone who thinks a handful of American Baha'is will have any effect on US politics is fooling only themselves. I mean that very respectfully but it's true.

Where the hell did you ever get that idea? American Baha'is are not trying to affect US politics.

 

[Trailblazer]

Conversion is the only tool you have. Get a billion people believing the same as you and you have a chance.

But conversion is not the right way to get people to believe.

 

[Trailblazer]

I can't even say "You'll find out eventually" when you die, you die and that's it.

I can't even say "You'll find out eventually" when you die, you die and you will find out.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

NO, we do not worship the past. We look towards the future.

The solutions are all on the Baha'i Writings.

You are so negative. I find that sad.

Biden is a sincere human being who wants what is best for this country. He wants to unite this country, which is congruent with the message of Baha'u'llah.

Where the hell did you ever get that idea? American Baha'is are not trying to affect US politics.

You worship the past of Bab, Bahaullah the same way Christians worship their bible, Muslims their quoran.

You believe Biden will do exactly what?

Biden can't afford to **** off the people who raised $billions to get him to the White house. The same as every American politician. He's 80 years old, showing signs of dementia and old age. Kamala Harris is very likely to be a future President.

Unless your effect politics, you're not getting anything done. Politics is the only way to get things done on the scale you want to be done.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

But conversion is not the right way to get people to believe.

So tell us a better way.

 

[Trailblazer]

You worship the past of Bab, Bahaullah the same way Christians worship their bible, Muslims their quoran.

No, Baha'is do not worship the Bab or Baha'u'llah. We worship only God.

You believe Biden will do exactly what?

Biden can't afford to **** off the people who raised $billions to get him to the White house. The same as every American politician. He's 80 years old, showing signs of dementia and old age. Kamala Harris is very likely to be a future President.

I do not know exactly what Biden will do, but if he passes on to the next world Harris will make a great President.
Either way, we cannot lose. We only lose of Trump wins.

Unless your effect politics, you're not getting anything done. Politics is the only way to get things done on the scale you want to be done.

You are absolutely correct, ans that si why I am so worried.

 

[Trailblazer]

So tell us a better way.

People voluntarily choosing to become Baha'is.

 

[Spirit of Light]

You worship the past of Bab, Bahaullah the same way Christians worship their bible, Muslims their quoran.

You believe Biden will do exactly what?

Biden can't afford to **** off the people who raised $billions to get him to the White house. The same as every American politician. He's 80 years old, showing signs of dementia and old age. Kamala Harris is very likely to be a future President.

Unless your effect politics, you're not getting anything done. Politics is the only way to get things done on the scale you want to be done.

Muslims worship God, the Qur'an is the teaching from God, to understand God one must understand the Qur'an.
If one do not understand the teaching from God how could one understand religion at all?

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

No, Baha'is do not worship the Bab or Baha'u'llah. We worship only God.

I do not know exactly what Biden will do, but if he passes on to the next world Harris will make a great President.
Either way, we cannot lose. We only lose of Trump wins.
You are absolutely correct, ans that si why I am so worried.

The same way Christians worship a god via St Paul. Muslims god via Mohammed. You know exactly what I mean.

The problems are America are criminals, jobs, long term unemployed, illegal immigrants, wages of the majority, massive shipping out of the industry, raising the taxes needed, debt and the split between Democrats and Republicans.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

People voluntarily choosing to become Baha'is.

And how do they become Baha'is if so few know of them?

 

[Spirit of Light]

The same way Christians worship a god via St Paul. Muslims god via Mohammed. You know exactly what I mean.

The problems are America are criminals, jobs, long term unemployed, illegal immigrants, wages of the majority, massive shipping out of the industry, raising the taxes needed, debt and the split between Democrats and Republicans.

It is not via Muhammad, the worship is directly to Allah.
Of course muslim has a deep respect for prophet Muhammad

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Muslims worship God, the Qur'an is the teaching from God, to understand God one must understand the Qur'an.
If one do not understand the teaching from God how could one understand religion at all?

And who is responsible for the Quran? It's not god because he didn't write it.

 

[Spirit of Light]

And who is responsible for the Quran? It's not god because he didn't write it.

It is Gods teaching given to Muhammad so he could give it to followers

 

[Hockeycowboy]

First of all there are mammals found in permafrost from 10,000 years ago, 20,000 years and even 40,000 years.
So it's obvious that this happens regardless of a flood.
Even if we had no explanation we don't look to Greek myths, Hindu creation stories or Israelite myths to find answers to what happened in the past. They are myths. Every culture has similar myths and none are actual things that happened in history.

Again, Noah's Ark is a direct copy of the Mesopotamian flood myth from way before the Israelites were a people.

There is no argument based on assumptions of creationism, that is a fiction you have made up or read about on a creationist site.
Science does work based on evidence. Modern geology studies flood related science by looking at erosion, Geochronology, geochemistry, rock features and many other properties that can be studied. None of these are making assumptions about creationism because they do not care. They only care about what the evidence is showing.
But even if we do not have any science that shows we did or did not have a worldwide flood this does not matter because the flood myth (and all world flood myths) are fictional stories. We don't study mountaintops to see which one Zeus probably lived on or study lightning to understand Zeus powers.
Your flood story is a copy-cat myth in a bunch of other stories that we know did not happen. In the 1970's Thomas Thompson's PhD work was accepted into the archeology field and considered the consensus. He proved that Moses and the Patriarchs were a myth.
Archeologists will confirm Exodus is a myth, the OT is not even written as history and it gets much worse for the NT.
So looking for science in Greek Epics or Israelite myths is a dead end. The OT is just a collection of Mesopotamian myths and then Persian myths were added in the 2nd temple period which influenced Christianity.

All you accomplished, was in knocking down a straw man. Your reference actually supports my Old Earth pov.

And you just ignored all the other evidences.... which, BTW, I did not get from a creationist website! Most of them are YEC believers, I am not.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

It is not via Muhammad, the worship is directly to Allah.
Of course muslim has a deep respect for prophet Muhammad

So Muslims don't have a bible, don't march around a meteorite, don't go to any holy shrines. I must have confused them with another religion.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

All you accomplished, was in knocking down a straw man. Your reference actually supports my Old Earth pov.

And you just ignored all the other evidences.... which, BTW, I did not get from a creationist website! Most of them are YEC believers, I am not.

You're still clinging to one layer of bones in one place that covers a long period of time.

The biblical flood requires a massive layer of all species bones around the world, an unbroken DNA element from a few 1,000 years ago. African were in Africa for 100,000sof years in an unbroken line. They didn't descend from 1 family 5,000 years ago. The same as many races on Earth. Layers in the ground and rocks show us what has happened to the world. Where is your evidence besides Bronze Age Myths?

A day is a day, 24 hours long. 365 make a year, 390,000 make a century.

 

[Spirit of Light]

So Muslims don't have a bible, don't march around a meteorite, don't go to any holy shrines. I must have confused them with another religion.

Qur'an is not the bible.
March around a meteorite?? Where do you have that from? You mean the Kaaba?
It is a Holy place for Muslims yes.

 

[Spirit of Light]

@PAUL MARKHAM what do you try to achieve with being so negative toward anything that has to do with religion? What is your goal in a discussion like this?

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Qur'an is not the bible.
March around a meteorite?? Where do you have that from? You mean the Kaaba?
It is a Holy place for Muslims yes.

I said a bible, meaning the Quran.

Yes, Muslims march around a meteorite. That was there before Islam.

The Kaaba marked the location where the sacred world intersected with the profane; the embedded Black Stone was a further symbol of this as a meteorite that had fallen from the sky and linked heaven and earth.

https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf...S4wLjEuMZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXo&sclient=psy-ab

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

@PAUL MARKHAM what do you try to achieve with being so negative toward anything that has to do with religion? What is your goal in a discussion like this?

Simple. I hate and detest the bad things religion brings. Don't tell me it doesn't because Islam today is still tearing itself apart over who has the right version to believe. Something Christianity went through 300-400 years ago.

What is your goal in trying to oppose me?

 

[Spirit of Light]

I said a bible, meaning the Quran.

Yes, Muslims march around a meteorite. That was there before Islam.

The Kaaba marked the location where the sacred world intersected with the profane; the embedded Black Stone was a further symbol of this as a meteorite that had fallen from the sky and linked heaven and earth.

https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk0042lIKrTfZg1Fl6Ix2qWaMFgdjzQ:1604530363500&source=hp&ei=uzCjX_7_G6fmsAf-jpfADw&q=islamic+shrines&oq=islamic+shrines&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeOgQIIxAnOgQIABBDOggIABCxAxCDAToLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6DgguELEDEIMBEMcBEKMCOgQILhBDOgoIABCxAxCDARBDOg0ILhDHARCvARBDEJMCOgcIABCxAxBDOggILhDHARCjAjoFCAAQsQM6BQgAEMkDOggILhDHARCvAVDsC1jJMWC1R2gAcAB4AIAB_AWIAbwfkgENMC42LjYuMS4wLjEuMZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXo&sclient=psy-ab

Lol, there is no maching, once in life we will go there to walk around the kaaba that is true. But its not a military match. Its a walk.