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Are Republicans More Often Sheeple Compared to Democrats?

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
In a brief but interesting article for The Hill, Mark Mellman cites a few figures that show Republicans tend to change their views and values in order to “follow the leader” during this election season. For instance, two polls show that 83-84% of Republicans now give their support to Trump, whereas last year a third of Republicans said they wouldn't support Trump if he were the nominee.

Another highly informative example:

In 2011, just 36 percent of Republicans believed someone “who commits an immoral act in their personal life can still behave ethically ... in their public office,” according to a PRRI Brookings poll. By October of this year, with Trump’s immorality being trumpeted everywhere, 70 percent of Republicans were distinguishing between politicians’ private and public lives — double the number five years ago.

Here Democrats’ views also evolved, but their level of agreement with this notion rose by a far lesser 12 points.​

https://origin-nyi.thehill.com/opinion/mark-mellman/302771-mellman-follow-the-leader

So perhaps there is difference between Democrats and Republicans in their partisan allegiance?
 

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Was my question too difficult for you?

Notice that Mellman's conclusion is deduced from a few facts on Republicans' vs. Democrats' attitudes and views.
 

Lighthouse

Well-Known Member
In a brief but interesting article for The Hill, Mark Mellman cites a few figures that show Republicans tend to change their views and values in order to “follow the leader” during this election season. For instance, two polls show that 83-84% of Republicans now give their support to Trump, whereas last year a third of Republicans said they wouldn't support Trump if he were the nominee.

Another highly informative example:

In 2011, just 36 percent of Republicans believed someone “who commits an immoral act in their personal life can still behave ethically ... in their public office,” according to a PRRI Brookings poll. By October of this year, with Trump’s immorality being trumpeted everywhere, 70 percent of Republicans were distinguishing between politicians’ private and public lives — double the number five years ago.

Here Democrats’ views also evolved, but their level of agreement with this notion rose by a far lesser 12 points.​

https://origin-nyi.thehill.com/opinion/mark-mellman/302771-mellman-follow-the-leader

So perhaps there is difference between Democrats and Republicans in their partisan allegiance?

If we are focusing on just this election season, and just the Republicans... I'd have to say that the percentage could be questionable. Some still support Donald but will not defend him. Many claim allegiance when they likely may not be alligient. There are always variables and agenda's. Some variables to consider.
 

Nous

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Premium Member
If we are focusing on just this election season, and just the Republicans... I'd have to say that the percentage could be questionable.
What evidence indicates "the percentage could be questionable"?

Some still support Donald but will not defend him.
What does that mean exactly? It means they want him to be President because he's the one with an "R" behind his name, but they know he isn't moral, intelligent or otherwise fit for the office. Right?
 

Nous

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Premium Member
It's always struck me, a liberal, that Republicans follow the party line more closely than do Democrats. Democrats seem more likely to adhere to personal principles.
That seems to be what the evidence shows. No one is presenting any evidence to the contrary.
 

Mindmaster

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If we are focusing on just this election season, and just the Republicans... I'd have to say that the percentage could be questionable. Some still support Donald but will not defend him. Many claim allegiance when they likely may not be alligient. There are always variables and agenda's. Some variables to consider.

My experience has been, overwhelmingly, that Trumpers (voting Republican) are very knowledgeable and mid-middle to upper-middle class with post-grad degrees in about 30% of the cases. They consider themselves redpilled, and do not trust the media/do lots of independent research. Straight-line Republicans who will vote for no one else are usually on the lower end of the educational scale and low info, just like the bulk of the Democratic voters of any caste. Democratic voters are far less likely to be knowledgeable in regard to economic, business, or foreign affairs mostly because their party works so hard to deceive them. :D You are supposed to vote Democrat because Republicans are racist, bigoted, hate LGBT, yadda... Who cares about the real issues? :D (Despite the fact that the Trail of Tears, Slavery, Japanese Internment, and Jim Crow, as well as anti-LGBT were originally Democratic ideas!)
 
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columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
People in both parties strike me as pretty much the same.
You really don't see a difference between the party of Trump and Ryan versus the party of Sanders and Clinton?
Heres a difference. One of the parties is steamrolling the election. Now can you see the difference?
Tom
 

Lighthouse

Well-Known Member
What evidence indicates "the percentage could be questionable"?

What does that mean exactly? It means they want him to be President because he's the one with an "R" behind his name, but they know he isn't moral, intelligent or otherwise fit for the office. Right?

It means that Republicans who support Donald are in the non-support percentage based on "not defending" him rather than "not supporting" him. Not defending him publically is a different ballgame.

It would mean that they want him for President because they'd rather it be him than Hillary.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You really don't see a difference between the party of Trump and Ryan versus the party of Sanders and Clinton?
There are minor differences, but I refer to general human traits....failings & otherwise.
Both can be generous or selfish, arrogant or humble, honest or dishonest, etc.
Heres a difference. One of the parties is steamrolling the election. Now can you see the difference?
Tom
Your metaphor could be read a couple different ways.
Some differences I see among those I know.....
- People who run businesses tend to be Pub, while Dems tend to be employees.
- Pubs tend to be more religious.
- Dems tend to attack Libertarians more.
Do you need more?
 

Deathbydefault

Apistevist Asexual Atheist
Seems about the same between both parties, imo.
That's excluding the people who only vote for one or the other out of lacking other options, of course.
 

Lighthouse

Well-Known Member
You really don't see a difference between the party of Trump and Ryan versus the party of Sanders and Clinton?
Heres a difference. One of the parties is steamrolling the election. Now can you see the difference?
Tom

Since the Republicans hold the majority as is, even deducing some of them such as Ryan and McCain... it is still probably about equal.

This excludes the possibility that some Democrats dislike Hillary, they just aren't stupid enough to make it known.

I do not think it's all peaches and cream for either party internally and privately as opposed to publically.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Republicans follow the party line more closely than do Democrats. Democrats seem more likely to adhere to personal principles..
That is pretty much what I think as well. Republicans sure seem to be more power-hungry and to crave that misery dubbed "a strong leader" far more often than Dems do.
 

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
My experience has been, overwhelmingly, that Trumpers (voting Republican) are very knowledgeable and mid-middle to upper-middle class with post-grad degrees in about 30% of the cases. They consider themselves redpilled, and do not trust the media/do lots of independent research. Straight-line Republicans who will vote for no one else are usually on the lower end of the educational scale and low info, just like the bulk of the Democratic voters of any caste. Democratic voters are far less likely to be knowledgeable in regard to economic, business, or foreign affairs mostly because their party works so hard to deceive them. :D You are supposed to vote Democrat because Republicans are racist, bigoted, hate LGBT, yadda... Who cares about the real issues? :D (Despite the fact that the Trail of Tears, Slavery, Japanese Internment, and Jim Crow, as well as anti-LGBT were originally Democratic ideas!)
Obviously we can't confirm that your description of your experience is accurate or true, but polls show quite different demographics for Trump supporters. People who support Trump are overwhelming white (91%)--Trump has basically no appeal to racial or ethnic minorities; 84% of Trump supporters are over 45 years old; 43% have a high school education or less; and 72% make less than $100k per year: http://www.arbiternews.com/2016/01/06/demographics-of-donald-trump-supporters/

Interestingly, those demographic figures might explain why Republicans voters in the primaries picked the one candidate who couldn't possibly win the election.
 
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