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Are the 10 Commandments as a whole valid today?
- Thread starter C-Faith
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You asked for our views on the ten commandments, I gave mine. Do you have anything to say about my view? Because it seems that you only want to discuss this with people who agree with you. If that is the case you should really be posting your threads in the Christianity DIR, but if I'm mistaken I ask again; do you have any comments on the actual view expressed in my post?
I don't run from disagreements because the bible settles them......
What are your questions, my friend?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
You're not addressing the scripture, comments, and questions I gave you. Have you read it?
1. What about the Sabbath that god sanctioned makes it (as you versed) now practices of men?
2. Why would Jesus keep 9 out of 10 commandments when he practiced all 10?
3. Are you mixing up with Jesus' practiced and what the pagans did?
4. Are you mixing up the 10 commandments with the other commandments in Lev and Exo which are appropriate for that time?
5. Do you realize that Jesus validated those commandments by his dying on the cross? Not only did he validate it, now, by his spirit, a christian (in my opinion) should be obligated to follow it because it is god's commandments not mans.
2 Timothy 2 and 3 doesnt say anything that supports why the Sabbath is wrong when Jesus followed it.
RF uses KJV. Use commentary with your scripture. Im not a Christian so what I read will be different unless you give it some meaning related to your support.
I have no questions, I was just sharing my view of the ten commandments: that only three of them have any place in our society (legal system) today. Because you posted this in debates I assumed you wanted to debate the validity of the ten commandments.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
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I do debate them - 9 of the 10 are still valid in the eyes of God.
The Sabbath day is not observed in Christianity (Colossians 2: 14-17).
I've provided scripture to prove my point. When will you?
(This is a "Religious" debate after all).
And my rebuttal is that only three are valid today. I am not a Christian so bible passages mean nothing to me, and I am not saying that they are invalid biblically. I am saying that they are not valid in society, so if requested, I will give evidence from modern society to suggest that these things which used to be law have no place being law today, no bible passages needed.
Prove that only 3 are valid and I will provide scripture from NEW Testament that 9 are still valid..........
Show scripture not your opinion.
Actually, the answer depends on one's religion and, if a Christian, which denomination he belongs to.
Well Jesus said that one can't just pick and choose (Matthew 7: 21-23).....most will not see Heaven by taking your point of view.
That's nice. What Jesus supposedly said is irrelevant to many of us.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Why is the answer no?
Why do you think "Yes"?
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Because not all of the Commandments were a clause in the physical laws, that were /are fulfilled, by Jesus.
So, they are in effect, if the Commandment, is not part of the /physical law. And that, also, is only for the adherents of Jesus, as the sacrifice was conditional.
So you believe that your version of the Truth(tm) is the only valid one, and every one who holds a different one will burn in hell for eternity.
You sound like the Southern Baptists I grew up with. Charming folks, really.
What scriptures support this?
Now if you can't provide scripture, then you are only providing your opinion.
So you believe that your version of the Truth(tm) is the only valid one, and every one who holds a different one will burn in hell for eternity.
You sound like the Southern Baptists I grew up with. Charming folks, really.
I didn't say you were going to burn....notice you said that about yourself.......
I'm not a Southern Baptist - this church can't be found in bible.........
Have a good one - remember there is only ONE church! (Matthew 16: 18)
Well, like I said, my argument is that the other 7 are not valid in terms of society, not that they are religiously invalid. I'm sure they all are valid in the lives of the devout but that isn't my argument, my argument can make no use of bible passages.
I am the Lord, your God.
Well, we live in a multicultural, multi-religious world. The US and many other countries have made laws that prevent discrimination, this includes discrimination based on religion. This commandment suggests that the Christian god is the only one which should be recognized, which, if moved into the legal system, would criminalize those with different beliefs.
Thou shall bring no false idols before me.
Same as the above, religious diversity and the general idea of anti-discrimination eliminate this too.
Do not take the name of the Lord in vain.
This goes against freedom of speech, something that is also prevalent in many western countries today. It also breaks the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment which states that the government "shall make no law establishing religion." The only reason to outlaw this language would be for religious reasons, thus establishing Christianity as a state-supported religion.
Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.
Another religious one, how would this even be enforced? It also goes against the Establishment Clause as it suggests mandatory religious observances.
Honor thy father and thy mother.
I firmly believe that respect should be earned. Some parents are horrible to their children, they beat them and hurt them and cast them out. These people do not deserve to be respected or honored by their abused children.
Thou shall not kill/murder.
This is one of the three that should be (and is) in our legal system. I can't think of any way to justify murder.
Thou shall not commit adultery.
This should not make its way into our legal system as it is really too messy and too personal and frankly I cannot think of a reason that it should. What exactly counts as cheating? Is flirting cheating? How would we define that? What about touches on the upper thigh? "Adultery" is such a wide term that we just cannot regulate it. Also, what about open relationships, or people who find refuge in another person while still caught in an abusive relationship?
Thou shall not steal.
Another one I agree with. It is currently also in our legal system and I can think of no reason that this as a whole (like murder) should become legal. I do feel sympathy for those who steal out of necessity, and I believe their punishment should be lesser, but it is still a crime.
Thou shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
The last one I agree with, also in our legal system.
Thou shall not covet your neighbor's wife (or anything that belongs to your neighbor).
Covet means desire to have. Thoughts cannot be made illegal and cannot be regulated. There is no way or reason to punish someone for desiring something. This is also a big way that our economy flourishes, you see someone else with something, you want it, and you buy it. Without desiring other people's things, it would be very hard for new companies to grow.
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Side note: @Carlita, I copied the quoted commandments from you, how do you display a link with text other than the link itself like you did here?