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Are the 10 Commandments as a whole valid today?

Tarheeler

Argumentative Curmudgeon
Premium Member
I didn't say you were going to burn....notice you said that about yourself.......

I'm not a Southern Baptist - this church can't be found in bible.........

Have a good one - remember there is only ONE church! (Matthew 16: 18)
You seem to be majorly misinformed. There are tens of thousands of Christian denominations, with most claiming to be the "one church".
And then you have all of the non-Christian religions for whom your Bible means nothing (quoting your Bible to one of us isn't going to help your position, by the way).

I didn't say you were a Southern Baptist; I said you sounded like one.
 

C-Faith

Member
Well, like I said, my argument is that the other 7 are not valid in terms of society, not that they are religiously invalid. I'm sure they all are valid in the lives of the devout but that isn't my argument, my argument can make no use of bible passages.

I am the Lord, your God.

Well, we live in a multicultural, multi-religious world. The US and many other countries have made laws that prevent discrimination, this includes discrimination based on religion. This commandment suggests that the Christian god is the only one which should be recognized, which, if moved into the legal system, would criminalize those with different beliefs.

Thou shall bring no false idols before me.

Same as the above, religious diversity and the general idea of anti-discrimination eliminate this too.

Do not take the name of the Lord in vain.

This goes against freedom of speech, something that is also prevalent in many western countries today. It also breaks the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment which states that the government "shall make no law establishing religion." The only reason to outlaw this language would be for religious reasons, thus establishing Christianity as a state-supported religion.

Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.

Another religious one, how would this even be enforced? It also goes against the Establishment Clause as it suggests mandatory religious observances.

Honor thy father and thy mother.

I firmly believe that respect should be earned. Some parents are horrible to their children, they beat them and hurt them and cast them out. These people do not deserve to be respected or honored by their abused children.

Thou shall not kill/murder.

This is one of the three that should be (and is) in our legal system. I can't think of any way to justify murder.

Thou shall not commit adultery.

This should not make its way into our legal system as it is really too messy and too personal and frankly I cannot think of a reason that it should. What exactly counts as cheating? Is flirting cheating? How would we define that? What about touches on the upper thigh? "Adultery" is such a wide term that we just cannot regulate it. Also, what about open relationships, or people who find refuge in another person while still caught in an abusive relationship?

Thou shall not steal.

Another one I agree with. It is currently also in our legal system and I can think of no reason that this as a whole (like murder) should become legal. I do feel sympathy for those who steal out of necessity, and I believe their punishment should be lesser, but it is still a crime.

Thou shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

The last one I agree with, also in our legal system.

Thou shall not covet your neighbor's wife (or anything that belongs to your neighbor).

Covet means desire to have. Thoughts cannot be made illegal and cannot be regulated. There is no way or reason to punish someone for desiring something. This is also a big way that our economy flourishes, you see someone else with something, you want it, and you buy it. Without desiring other people's things, it would be very hard for new companies to grow.

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Side note: @Carlita, I copied the quoted commandments from you, how do you display a link with text other than the link itself like you did here?

Hebrews 9: 27 - God's judgment supercedes human politics........
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
What scriptures support this?

Now if you can't provide scripture, then you are only providing your opinion.

So, you can provide Scripture that the sacrifice was unconditional, for everyone? Because you'll have to do that, in order for your argument to make sense.
 

lovesong

:D
Premium Member
Hebrews 9: 27 - God's judgment supercedes human politics........
So you're suggesting a legal system that mandates strict Christianity? Is there any reason (not coming from the bible, using the bible against non-Christians is very ineffective) that you think this is a good idea? If you can't provide a well-reasoned argument for why we should have mandated Christianity and can only go back to the bible for your evidence, I'm afraid there's nothing more I can say to you.
 

C-Faith

Member
So, you can provide Scripture that the sacrifice was unconditional, for everyone? Because you'll have to do that, in order for your argument to make sense.

We see the following means we fall under the ONE God.

Genesis 1: 1-2
John 3: 16
Hebrews 9: 27

Rejection of any of the above points to eternal destruction...........
 

C-Faith

Member
So you're suggesting a legal system that mandates strict Christianity? Is there any reason (not coming from the bible, using the bible against non-Christians is very ineffective) that you think this is a good idea? If you can't provide a well-reasoned argument for why we should have mandated Christianity and can only go back to the bible for your evidence, I'm afraid there's nothing more I can say to you.

No, but we can't have chaos either (Romans 13: 1-4).

But on judgment day there will ONLY be one "religion" that survives and that is Christianity.

Now if this is too much for you to handle, then perhaps this thread is not for you.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I do debate them - 9 of the 10 are still valid in the eyes of God.

The Sabbath day is not observed in Christianity (Colossians 2: 14-17).
It's "amazing" that you think you can actually speak for God. Maybe you can tell God how He can run the world and how He totally screwed up on 604 Commandments as found in Torah-- I'm sure He'd be very interested in hearing from ya on this.
 

C-Faith

Member
It's "amazing" that you think you can actually speak for God. Maybe you can tell God how He can run the world and how He totally screwed up on 604 Commandments as found in Torah-- I'm sure He'd be very interested in hearing from ya on this.

Read 1 Peter 4: 11

God gave us His word so we can grow and learn from.........else there would be no direction to truth.
 

Onyx

Active Member
Premium Member
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
We see the following means we fall under the ONE God.

Genesis 1: 1-2
John 3: 16
Hebrews 9: 27

Rejection of any of the above points to eternal destruction...........

If you're trying to present an argument that Johns baptism, in other words the symbolic or sin cleansing church baptism, actually, magically, attains a person Salvation, then perhaps you should read those verses again.
Again, how would any of this make the ten Commandments void, anyway? What became modified , /not even void,, were laws that were strictly performed in the manner of a physical specific, or arbitrary to other teachings, such as those spoken of, specifically, by the blessed Apostle Paul, on these matters. Even the physical laws were only , modified, /some did become void,, and some of the physical laws of course still apply.
 

C-Faith

Member
If you're trying to present an argument that Johns baptism, in other words the symbolic or sin cleansing church baptism, actually, magically, attains a person Salvation, then perhaps you should read those verses again.
Again, how would any of this make the ten Commandments void, anyway? What became modified , /not even void,, were laws that were strictly performed in the manner of a physical specific, or arbitrary to other teachings, such as the wisdom supplied by the blessed Apostle Paul, on these matters. Even the physical laws were only , modified, /some did become void,, and some of the physical laws of course still apply.

John's baptism introduced Christ to the world, but the baptism that leads to salvation in Christ is immersion in water.

Romans chapter 6
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
John's baptism introduced Christ to the world, but the baptism that leads to salvation in Christ is immersion in water.

Romans chapter 6

The baptism you speak of is the water, or sin cleansing, baptism, that John performed; and is thusly imitated in symbolic manner, by the churches, as a means of a statement of faith. Even when John baptized, it was specified, that Jesus baptized in a completely different manner. The church baptism is done with a request, or, a ''in the name of'', Jesus; it is not performed by Jesus.
Further to note, the baptisms that became symbolic, in other words, not specifically for sin cleansing, were usually performed at a change of faith, or now, usually, when attending a new church, so forth. These are symbolic in nature.
 

lovesong

:D
Premium Member
No, but we can't have chaos either (Romans 13: 1-4).

But on judgment day there will ONLY be one "religion" that survives and that is Christianity.

Now if this is too much for you to handle, then perhaps this thread is not for you.
Alright, you couldn't go one post without using "Christianity is right because it is" logic, so I'm done replying. One last friendly reminder (I mentioned it before, maybe in the thread you deleted) that stating religious beliefs as facts (without "I believe" language) is against the rules here. We are supposed to just report these posts but I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt as someone who is new, but I see that didn't do anything.
 

Palehorse

Active Member
No, when I break something and then try to duplicate it again, it seems identical, but for some reason it just aint the same.

Why are the ten commandments in Exodus 34 different?
The first stone tablets with the ten commandments were smashed by Moses, so God created a second set of stone tablets that were supposed to contain the same commandments as the smashed tablets. But the actual text of the second set of commandments that follows in Exodus 34 is different from the original commandments.
 
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