Are the 10 Commandments as a whole valid today?

[psychoslice]

No they are not valid today, there are many who don't believe in a god, so to them it means nothing.

 

[melisaross85]

Are the 10 Commandments as a whole valid today?

Yes !

Jesus freed us from bearing the burden of the law alone because it was a burden we could not bear proven by the fact that we broke the law over and over in our lives.

The bible tells you what God's will is it is everything true and good so acts do matter but look: We were freed from certain condemnation for not following the law by Jesus's sacrifice. So why follow it? LOVE. If you love God you keep his commandments out of love for Him.

In other words love transcends consequence because love is above all things. Why else would a God who already has everything come down from heaven in the person of Jesus and die on a cross for us? He already had everything because he was God. What did he gain for it for himself? Nothing it was for our gain. When you love something you do for their gain unconditionally. So if we love God we do for Him what makes Him happy and gives him joy which is to follow His commandments.

It may appeal to the pride to believe we are good enough to be saved through our own actions but Jesus is the only good one and it is more difficult to lower our pride and humble ourselves before the Lord in Jesus name.

In Romans 2:13 there are two category of people described there are those who hear the law but dont do it and those who actually do it. It says the ones who do it will be justified. We all fall into the category of those who hear the law but don't do it. Only Jesus falls into the category of the ones who followed the law in action so only he will be justified.

Don’t forget how Jesus closes his teaching on the Law. He says: “Whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven! But whoever keeps them and teaches others to do the same will be great in the kingdom of heaven.” So whoever breaks one of the least of the commandments shall be called least. But we all break even the least of the commandments so we will all be called least. Jesus is the only one who kept them so he will be called greater. So this is saying we are all considered lesser in the kingdom of heaven before Jesus and his glory and Jesus is the only one who will be called great in the kingdom of heaven because all glory praise and honor go to him, being as he is the only one who kept the commandments. It doens't mean we are can possibly keep the commandments we will break them and have to be forgiven.

Mathhew 23:23 "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye pay the tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgement, mercy, and faith: These ought ye have done, and not leave the other undone." Same thing as the previous chapters the Hebrew roots movement just needs a dose of humility in their interpretation perhaps. In other words we all fall under the same category as the scribes and Phariesses in that we paid the tithe of mint and anise and cummin but omitted the weightier matters of the law from our lives, judgement, mercy, and faith. These ought we all have done and not left the other undone, but only Jesus actually did these things.

 

[melisaross85]

Jesus freed us from bearing the burden of the law alone because it was a burden we could not bear proven by the fact that we broke the law over and over in our lives.

The bible tells you what God's will is it is everything true and good so acts do matter but look: We were freed from certain condemnation for not following the law by Jesus's sacrifice. So why follow it? LOVE. If you love God you keep his commandments out of love for Him.

In other words love transcends consequence because love is above all things. Why else would a God who already has everything come down from heaven in the person of Jesus and die on a cross for us? He already had everything because he was God. What did he gain for it for himself? Nothing it was for our gain. When you love something you do for their gain unconditionally. So if we love God we do for Him what makes Him happy and gives him joy which is to follow His commandments.

It may appeal to the pride to believe we are good enough to be saved through our own actions but Jesus is the only good one and it is more difficult to lower our pride and humble ourselves before the Lord in Jesus name.

In Romans 2:13 there are two category of people described there are those who hear the law but dont do it and those who actually do it. It says the ones who do it will be justified. We all fall into the category of those who hear the law but don't do it. Only Jesus falls into the category of the ones who followed the law in action so only he will be justified.

Don’t forget how Jesus closes his teaching on the Law. He says: “Whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven! But whoever keeps them and teaches others to do the same will be great in the kingdom of heaven.” So whoever breaks one of the least of the commandments shall be called least. But we all break even the least of the commandments so we will all be called least. Jesus is the only one who kept them so he will be called greater. So this is saying we are all considered lesser in the kingdom of heaven before Jesus and his glory and Jesus is the only one who will be called great in the kingdom of heaven because all glory praise and honor go to him, being as he is the only one who kept the commandments. It doens't mean we are can possibly keep the commandments we will break them and have to be forgiven.

Mathhew 23:23 "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye pay the tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgement, mercy, and faith: These ought ye have done, and not leave the other undone." Same thing as the previous chapters the Hebrew roots movement just needs a dose of humility in their interpretation perhaps. In other words we all fall under the same category as the scribes and Phariesses in that we paid the tithe of mint and anise and cummin but omitted the weightier matters of the law from our lives, judgement, mercy, and faith. These ought we all have done and not left the other undone, but only Jesus actually did these things.

 

[Tumah]

Sorry, but the scriptures have been tested long before you were born.

You are a "johnny-come-lately"

Yes and they were rejected then too by all but the most foolish for obvious reasons...

 

[Laika]

@C-Faith

Depending on the translation, The sixth commandment is "thou shall not kill" can also be read as "thou shall not murder".

The difference is significant in that killing can be justified in times of war or as form of punishment in the death penalty.

How would you tell which translation is the correct one?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Well Jesus said that one can't just pick and choose (Matthew 7: 21-23).....most will not see Heaven by taking your point of view.

The NT picks and chooses all the time. You, like many Christians, like to quote just a couple of authors, one of those being Paul. I don't care much for Paul and consider him a Trojan Horse taking us away from the Way Jesus talked about.

At any rate, here are my thoughts about the commandments:

Idolatry is bad (especially if your religious tradition has something called idolatry). This isn't just about worshipping other gods, but being a nationalist or considering a holy book divine are included in that as well.

This commandment suggests that the Christian god is the only one which should be recognized, which, if moved into the legal system, would criminalize those with different beliefs.

Ah, but nondiscrimination would be in the ballpark of the Way, so technically you ARE following Jesus when you are not taking the rights away from others.

I don't consider swearing the Lord's name NEARLY as problematic as advertising your holiness loudly while being a, well, "whitewashed tomb".

I don't feel the Sabbath has to be a particular day. You only need at least one chill day a week to contemplate and ground yourself.

Jesus couldn't stand his family so has nothing to say about honoring parents.

I think the "don't murder" thing needs to be fleshed out because it's rampant throughout the bible, so there must be some "fine print" involved, right?

I would pay money to see "no adultery" put into law. There was a state (Utah?) that tried to hurt polygamists by outlawing sex outside of marriage, but since many governmental officials are horny, that died out pretty quickly.

Not stealing is cool, though it gets harder to deal with when it's regarding fair use and such things.

As a religion of Truth, not lying about others (like saying gays are evil or women are evil or men are evil or blacks are evil, etc) should be pretty up there.

As for coveting, stealing was already covered so I don't understand why it's here. Getting your own wife or car or PS4 or whatever is not the problem ... taking THEIR stuff or people is the problem.

But on judgment day there will ONLY be one "religion" that survives and that is Christianity.

What's to stop "Christianity" from becoming everything Jesus was against?

John the Baptist notes that anyone can claim they are [insert group label used to put oneself over others here], but God can make participants of that group out of rocks, so don't be so haughty.

ohn's baptism introduced Christ to the world, but the baptism that leads to salvation in Christ is immersion in water.

What if there's a drought or they didn't pay their water bill or you live in Flint, MI?

Jesus freed us from bearing the burden of the law alone because it was a burden we could not bear proven by the fact that we broke the law over and over in our lives.

True, but many in Christianity have become just as legalistic as the "enemy" was.

 

[melisaross85]

The NT picks and chooses all the time. You, like many Christians, like to quote just a couple of authors, one of those being Paul. I don't care much for Paul and consider him a Trojan Horse taking us away from the Way Jesus talked about.

At any rate, here are my thoughts about the commandments:

Idolatry is bad (especially if your religious tradition has something called idolatry). This isn't just about worshipping other gods, but being a nationalist or considering a holy book divine are included in that as well.


Ah, but nondiscrimination would be in the ballpark of the Way, so technically you ARE following Jesus when you are not taking the rights away from others.

I don't consider swearing the Lord's name NEARLY as problematic as advertising your holiness loudly while being a, well, "whitewashed tomb".

I don't feel the Sabbath has to be a particular day. You only need at least one chill day a week to contemplate and ground yourself.

Jesus couldn't stand his family so has nothing to say about honoring parents.

I think the "don't murder" thing needs to be fleshed out because it's rampant throughout the bible, so there must be some "fine print" involved, right?

I would pay money to see "no adultery" put into law. There was a state (Utah?) that tried to hurt polygamists by outlawing sex outside of marriage, but since many governmental officials are horny, that died out pretty quickly.

Not stealing is cool, though it gets harder to deal with when it's regarding fair use and such things.

As a religion of Truth, not lying about others (like saying gays are evil or women are evil or men are evil or blacks are evil, etc) should be pretty up there.

As for coveting, stealing was already covered so I don't understand why it's here. Getting your own wife or car or PS4 or whatever is not the problem ... taking THEIR stuff or people is the problem.


What's to stop "Christianity" from becoming everything Jesus was against?

John the Baptist notes that anyone can claim they are [insert group label used to put oneself over others here], but God can make participants of that group out of rocks, so don't be so haughty.


What if there's a drought or they didn't pay their water bill or you live in Flint, MI?


True, but many in Christianity have become just as legalistic as the "enemy" was.

Many Christians have become many things both good and bad in God's eyes, but Jesus does only good. So who do we follow Jesus or man? Who has the keys to the kingdom of heaven in his possession?

 

[Walter Russell]

The answer is no (Ephesians 2: 14-16), but 9 of the 10 were carried over into the New Testament.

Didn't the Pope change them???

Must not be to important than. Oh wait, I forgot he can play that Vicar card... :/

 

[CG Didymus]

Jesus freed us from bearing the burden of the law alone because it was a burden we could not bear proven by the fact that we broke the law over and over in our lives.

Paul might have said the Law was a burden, but where does Jesus say it was a burden? Plus, for Jesus to say that to lust is already committing adultery and to get angry with someone is like murdering, then he made the Law even tougher, and, I'd say even more impossible to follow. So how is anybody, especially Christians, not "burdened" by trying to follow commands that they know they can't keep?
Also, about the Law being a burden, you can probably show me several places where Paul says it is, but Moses says it isn't. Trying to live by it, though, I'd agree with Paul. It seems like a tremendous burden. So was Moses wrong?

 

[CG Didymus]

I do debate them - 9 of the 10 are still valid in the eyes of God.

The Sabbath day is not observed in Christianity (Colossians 2: 14-17).

I've provided scripture to prove my point. When will you?

(This is a "Religious" debate after all).

Yet, Christians made Sunday a type of Sabbath. I was raised a Catholic, and it was a "mortal" sin not to go to mass. I could see where you could say that Sunday was a "tradition" of men, but, supposedly, God made the Sabbath rule. So what was Paul's problem with it? Considering that Christians did have to pick a day to gather together; what was the problem with keeping it Saturday?

 

[Scott C.]

The answer is no (Ephesians 2: 14-16), but 9 of the 10 were carried over into the New Testament.

What do you mean by not valid? Are you saying it's not a sin to murder, or lie, or commit adultery? Are these acceptable now, since Christ died for us?

 

[RabbiO]

How would you tell which translation is the correct one?

Learn Hebrew.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Learn Hebrew.

רצח

 

[rosends]

רצח

I wish it was that simple.
http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/61641/is-tirtzach-murder

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Many Christians have become many things both good and bad in God's eyes, but Jesus does only good.

Technically, Jesus sinned too, breaking commandments large and small. However, once you decide to study the Way and ignore all the hypocrisy of the teacher of the Way, you see the Way is wise. It's like admitting a travel brochure doesn't hold a candle to the actual destination. Just because the brochure has misspellings and bad grammar and fake stock photo pictures doesn't mean the vacation will be awful.

 

[metis]

Technically, Jesus sinned too, breaking commandments large and small. However, once you decide to study the Way and ignore all the hypocrisy of the teacher of the Way, you see the Way is wise. It's like admitting a travel brochure doesn't hold a candle to the actual destination. Just because the brochure has misspellings and bad grammar and fake stock photo pictures doesn't mean the vacation will be awful.

I think the importance of Jesus was not his supposed divinity or perfection but what he main message was, namely that we need to act with compassion and justice towards all.

 

[Scott C.]

Technically, Jesus sinned too, breaking commandments large and small. However, once you decide to study the Way and ignore all the hypocrisy of the teacher of the Way, you see the Way is wise. It's like admitting a travel brochure doesn't hold a candle to the actual destination. Just because the brochure has misspellings and bad grammar and fake stock photo pictures doesn't mean the vacation will be awful.

Jesus broke no commandments. He followed the law the way it was intended, and not as it had been corrupted. He, as the giver of the law, understood the law and it's intent.

 

[Hawkins]

The answer is no (Ephesians 2: 14-16), but 9 of the 10 were carried over into the New Testament.

The big picture is;
1. God's Law in an absolute sense refers to a set of Law God will use to judge the whole mankind.

2. Law (or God's Law) in the Jewish sense refers to Mosaic Law, the written and oral Torah. If you are a Jew who abides by those laws up to a reckoned standard (Moses will be the accuser), you will be saved by the covenant granted to the Jews. While gentiles are subject to another covenant. Thus gentiles don't actually need to abide by the Mosaic Law.

3. The 10 commandments refers to the cored commandments in the Jewish covenant. However, such cored commandments can be common to each and every covenants not limited to the Jewish covenant.

4. Christ's teachings refer to whatever Jesus taught and demonstrated. He excluded Sabbath when He mentioned (taught) the cored commandments. It is thus possible that these commandments excluding Sabbath are still legitimate in the New Covenant. Regardless, the New Covenant no longer comes with a set of Law as other covenants did. Thus we can comprehend those commandments without Sabbath as part of Christ's teachings for us to follow instead of law terms.

 

[CG Didymus]

How can it be mistaken? You are only providing an opinion.

What's funny to me is how every new religious idea nullifies the ones that went before it, and claim that God is updating his rules. So do Christians care about following Jewish Laws? No. Do those who believe Islam is the truth follow Christian laws? No, they have their own, which they believe came from God and are better and truer than anything that Christians follow.
What's also funny to me is how these debates by Christians separate the Ten Commandments from the rest of the Laws. And then they argue why all but one of the Ten are still "valid". Of course the one is not valid; the Sabbath came with tons more laws and rules. Paul, I mean God, didn't want to burden his new followers with laws that didn't really save you.
So God nullified a law He made, in which He had people stoned to death for breaking, because Sabbath keeping didn't save you. The true meaning of the Sabbath, and almost all the rest of the Law was to punish, I mean show the Jewish people they needed Jesus. They couldn't follow the Law. It was impossible. God let them try for hundreds of years, then finally figured that they'd get a clue and sent them Jesus. But what a stubborn people, they still insist on trying to keep the Laws their God told them to.

 

[Tumah]

I wish it was that simple.
http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/61641/is-tirtzach-murder

I found this. He doesn't discuss your question though.
I can answer two parts of your question there though.
The first thing is that even if its an "extra-judicial killing", the person that he is killing, is not a בר קיימא as per Rashi. So even though the action is a מעשה רציחה, what he's killing is a dead body, which has no liability.
The second thing is that פסוק ל is referring to the גואל הדם according to the Sifri, not the court.