Are there Reasonable Moral Grounds to Oppose Open Relationships and Marriages?

[Manfred]

So, I'm off base. How is discussing what is "natural", the legitimacy of homosexuality, and what else might be considered "deviant" have anything to do with open marriages

I need to understand a person's moral convictions first before I can explain to them why they're wrong, silly. It seems the majority of this sites members are filthy hippies, but I aim to remedy that. You're welcome.

if it's oatmeal raisin...

Is this humorous to anyone else...ew

*how do I write on someones wall

 

[waitasec]

Nope. As long as all involved are informed, consenting adults and that everything done is in uncoerced, mutual agreement.

^that.

I disagree....

Sex can be emotional and if couples are engaged in intercourse with different couples, at some point people will develop feelings despite the consensual aspect of the union. I believe once feelings gets involved, that is where it becomes complicated. Also everyone keeps talking about consent but what about sexually transmitted diseases? Oh, I guess when you consent to sex you consent to being given an STD?

then don't do it...
if you don't agree with it, why would you consent?

 

[waitasec]

I need to understand a person's moral convictions first before I can explain to them why they're wrong, silly.

so that's your point

your arrogance is noted...

 

[waitasec]

As a point blank reply to the OP:
But the original question is "Are there significant moral grounds to oppose open marriage" and honestly no there isn't a moral reason to oppose others or the freedom to do with their lives what they will. In fact to do so would be inherently IMMORAL.

:clap
simply true.

 

[Manfred]

so that's your point

your arrogance is noted...

It's confidence, not arrogance. It'd be greatly appreciated if you never make that mistake again.

I'm trying to write on your wall, but I can't. I want to ask you something.

 

[waitasec]

It's confidence, not arrogance. .

no arrogance is an undue sense of improtance...
the mere statement of saying someone's moral conviction is "wrong"
is arrogant... because it is ultimately according to you...

whateva...

 

[Walkntune]

Wow, this thread sure took a left turn, didn't it?

Unless it's the same, tired mantra of "ejaculatory-biased-heterosexual-procreative-sex-within-a-monogamous-and-religious-marriage" that continues to insist it is really the only way to intimacy and legitimacy.

Am I close? Do I get a cookie?

I thought this thread was about open relationships and morality.I came in here and wanted to know what natural and unnatural behaviors have to do with morality.
Next thing I was asked what does homosexuality have to do with morality?
I guess the topic was homosexuality?
Sorry if i took a left turn toward the OP.

 

[Manfred]

no arrogance is an undue sense of improtance...
the mere statement of saying someone's moral conviction is "wrong"
is arrogant... because it is ultimately according to you...

and honestly no there isn't a moral reason to oppose others or the freedom to do with their lives what they will. In fact to do so would be inherently IMMORAL.

And yet....

:clap

Something doesn't quite jive here.

 

[waitasec]

I thought this thread was about open relationships and morality.I came in here and wanted to know what natural and unnatural behaviors have to do with morality.
Next thing I was asked what does homosexuality have to do with morality?
I guess the topic was homosexuality?
Sorry if i took a left turn toward the OP.

Because homosexuality occurs in nature on a scale that would validate it being a natural occurrence? Is that why it's a silly argument?
Perhaps you could do a better job of identifying who you're talking to/about in the future, then. May cut down on my clarification issues.

I have an irrational bigotry towards people trying to put words in my mouth, is all.
You obviously know better than that, so my bad.

Because it's a disingenuous argument. It's a rhetorical attempt at justification for the position not an argument in itself.


I'll try to keep that in mind.

Well, try not to be irrational about it... rational thinking is much better.

wa:do

You mean like the above statement?

No. But nice try.

IMHO the person who uses "unnatural sex" as a descriptor doesn't really care about what is or isn't "natural". If presented with evidence that homosexuality is common in nature then they will simply change tactics and use the "humans are beyond nature" or some variation there of.

It's a piece of rhetoric to try to sway opinion, not an argument itself. It's only use is to try to depict the behavior in question as something horrible and against nature. An appeal to emotion nothing more.

Unless, your point really is that if something is "natural" it is intrinsically valid, while something "unnatural" is intrinsically invalid?

wa:do

So on what moral grounds can you give a reason that humans should not eat their young?

apparently you walked into it not being aware...

i laid it out for you to see the context of this dialogue....
hope it helps you to understand.


it seems to be that manfred is the guy to ask....

 

[waitasec]

And yet....

Something doesn't quite jive here.

luuuucy...
jou got som esssplaining to do...

 

[dawny0826]

Nope. As long as all involved are informed, consenting adults and that everything done is in uncoerced, mutual agreement.

Well said, restricted one.

Although, morality is an issue when one's convictions (religious/moral "codes) don't allow for such relationships. I would hope that those dealing with such inner conflicts would have the common sense to sustain from such open relationships - to avoid unnecessary mess.

 

[Manfred]

Are you going to tell me how to write on your wall or not?
I'm trying to ask you about your song writing, but I don't know you well enough to start poking around in your business. You have a lot of post on this site, ya know? Can I get a link, at least..
sheesh

 

[waitasec]

Are you going to tell me how to write on your wall or not?
I'm trying to ask you about your song writing, but I don't know you well enough to start poking around in your business. You have a lot of post on this site, ya know? Can I get a link, at least..
sheesh

you need patience....

 

[painted wolf]

I need to understand a person's moral convictions first before I can explain to them why they're wrong, silly. It seems the majority of this sites members are filthy hippies, but I aim to remedy that. You're welcome.

Bwahahahha :biglaugh:

wa:do

 

[Manfred]

You won't win this game, I promise.
You have till next Sunday to give me what I want or I will never ask you about it again. Before you let your pride get in the way, through, you need to understand that I'm genuinely interested in poetry, song writing and the likes. It's the only true testament to a person's character, and I defy anyone to disagree.

You have till Sunday, or I rid myself of this interest in you.

 

[waitasec]

ooookay.

 

[Storm]

You won't win this game, I promise.
You have till next Sunday to give me what I want or I will never ask you about it again. Before you let your pride get in the way, through, you need to understand that I'm genuinely interested in poetry, song writing and the likes. It's the only true testament to a person's character, and I defy anyone to disagree.

You have till Sunday, or I rid myself of this interest in you.

Threats only work when the other person cares.

 

[painted wolf]

They also don't help people take you seriously as someone with a mature opinion.

wa:do

 

[Drolefille]

I'm probably going to regret jumping into this thread because it seems a bit crazy, but perhaps it'll get things back on track.

I'm in an open relationship, well technically I'm in two open relationships at the moment. Said relationships are honest and ethical - all parties know about it, and all have approved with no duress involved. None of us belong to religions that prohibit such relationships.

So, returning to perhaps the main topic, are there reasonable moral grounds to be against this relationship? (I don't mind using myself as the example here.)

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Welcome to RF! :foryou:

And kudos to you for jumping in so soon to a hot topic like this.

My husband and I have an open marriage. We tried the monogamy model, and it made us miserable. I know that given the climate toward polyamory and the cultural preference toward hetero monogamy, it would seem backward to say that our marriage has MUCH more intimacy and respect than during our monogamous stretch.

We've been dancing down Polyamory Lane for about 5 years now. And because of how happy we are, and how we continue to grow stronger as a couple, I'd say that our decision to be open IS morally sound.