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I agree. Like some people just hate men and want to blaim them for everything. I've no doubt you being so broad minded and modern you would agree with that, and would not take a narrow mysandristic approach like some might. Well done for us two that can see just how one sided some people can be....
You 'thinks'? Now that is a development and a form of abuse, all in one. Bravo. Anyway, I have some adults to talk to now. Bye Bye.
You have not explained the reasoning behind your answer. You have simply said it was out of context, which it wasn't. I have even gone back to page 35 where the posts in question originated and have looked and have not found one place where you have explained your rationale for disagreeing with him. The only mention you have made about it is when I pointed it out. Saying something was out of context when it wasn't is not explaining an answer. You gave an answer, then when called upon it said it was out of context (when it wasn't) and then changed your answer. That, sir, is a clear example, near perfect definition actually, of back-pedaling.
Think what you want, Madam, I have explained it enough.
If "not at all" is explaining it enough, then sure, I guess you explained it enough.
What I'm saying is, if a woman doesn't want to carry a child for 9-10 months, then maybe she shouldn't lie down with a man. She made the choice. That baby belongs just as much to the father as it does to her. Women want to have their cake and eat it too. If you want to argue that it's solely the woman's choice, then the man should be able to relinquish all rights and responsibility regardless of the woman's choice to bring that unwanted child into the world, just as the woman relinquishes all responsibility when she chooses not to bring a wanted child into the world.
I think most places in the world still have issues with gender equality both in and outside of relationships. Relationships should be a partnership. Couples should work together in tandem with neither over the other in importance or standing. How each couple does that should be upon them and no one outside the relationship should have any say. It is the stereotyping of gender-roles that can often be an issue. However, if it works better for a couple to have her work and him be a SAHD then that is just as fine as both working or just him working. The problem also arises from gender stereotypes as to how a man should be. By having some men raised up to believe that they need not be emotional, that catering to women and children is "unmanly", that it is a woman's job to primarily take care of the children and that men aren't as fit to be parents as women are...this propagates the erroneous idea that men can walk away and their children still be fine because they have their mother. While in some cases that may be so, it let's men off the hook in child-rearing. If men don't believe they make a strong difference in their children's lives, if they don't step up and connect and be emotional and play and care for their mother and so on all it does is bring about another generation that believes the men don't need to be there. There are wonderful fathers, men who are caring and support their family in more than just financial ways, and unfortunately, they aren't looked upon as "as manly" as some other men which is just stupid. Women should also show more appreciation and gratitude for the men who do step up and fulfill their role. Should not negate their feelings. Should not write them out of their children's lives merely because their relationship fell apart (with exceptions for protection from abuse).
I have tried multiple times on different threads to make exactly the point of your post. I always get ignored and the responses are irrelevant tangents.
Then why not lobby for some law which grants men the right to terminate their parental rights within the same amount of time that a woman has to abort? If you could present a valid argument for doing so then take it up the chain.
I assume by your picture that you are a woman; if that is the case, your post is even more remarkable for its openess to look at your own genda. Either way, it is refreshing to see someone so honest with what they see instead of backing their own genda no matter what. I applaud you for it.
What an amazingly good point. I must say however, that there has to be some education with some men to make sure they look after their end of the bargian.
We might also say that women have priority over the children, so for a man, it is not good to bond too much as it is their heart that will be wrecked, not the woman's. One man recently was charged for saying his son's name on facebook even though he is now 18 and lives with his father in England. Courts favour women. That apparently is equality!! If you want the things you ask for, which I mostly agree with, you need to make the equality you claim you want, even if that means you lose the kids when you divorce. I don't think most women would fight for a right to have less.
Okay, hot potato for you--
Thanks for the above good point.I assume by your picture that you are a woman; if that is the case, your post is even more remarkable for its openess to look at your own genda. Either way, it is refreshing to see someone so honest with what they see instead of backing their own genda no matter what. I applaud you for it.
What an amazingly good point. I must say however, that there has to be some education with some men to make sure they look after their end of the bargian.
Nice hearing you speak again.
I think Islam has a lot of things right.
But who is giving women preferential treatment in the courts? Men. Most judges are men and they are the ones that determine custody. They have been brought up to believe that women are better at nurturing children than men. I have absolutely no issue with men having custody of their children. I actually wish more men did as they would be the preferred parent in many situations. It still all boils down to what we teach our children, specifically our sons. We need to break down gender "norms" and let our boys know they are just as equal to a woman when it comes to parenting. That starts at home. Break down gender molds and stereotypes and let our next generation grow up without their gender determining who and what they can be.
The only kind of rape I can think of that you might be referring to is statutory. In cases of consensual sex between teens where one is of legal age and one isn't then I can definitely see the father having rights.
don't forget homosxuality.
Good point.
They are. They bond more for one. The woman has unconditional love. That is important in a child's upbringing.
Don't agree. If men become women, what are women going to become, men? What does that mean then? Women want to work and couldn't care less about their own offspring or that they are useless mothers?
