Are there single fathers, who never married, with children in the West?

[McBell]

To miss the mark, to err. Everything is part of God, you me, the lot. There is only one right and wrong and then mankind messing it all up and looking for excuses not to do it.

Except for the fact that there are literally hundreds of proposed deities...
Like I said, better hope you chose the right one

 

[Robert.Evans]

It's a good thing I don't believe in your "sin" then.

In no way can you possibly believe that if a man beats the **** out of his wife and treats her like she's less than the muck on his boots that she should be restricted to never find any love or happiness for the rest of her life. If she is lucky enough to get out of that marriage and away from her abuser you would actually hold that she should never love again? Because that is what you are saying when you seem to think that being with anyone unmarried is a "sin" and daring to remarry is a "sin" as well. You are punishing a victim for the rest of their life. You honestly believe that your god holds such standards? If so do you really wonder why anyone would think your god cruel and spiteful?

Never said it was easy.
EDIT
though saying that, in the lord it is.

 

[McBell]

And just because something is "unlawful" doesn't mean it may be the "wrong" thing to do at the time either. It may be "wrong" according to the law but it may not be personally for the person doing the killing depending on the situation they are in.

I completely agree.
Thus the reason I intentionally left out any mention of highly subjective terms "right" or "wrong".

 

[Robert.Evans]

Yes, you repeat the above bold empty claim ad nauseum with nothing to support it except your belief it is true.
Not very convincing outside your choir.

plenty to back it up... even common sense. But to those who choose to ingore, they ignore.

 

[McBell]

plenty to back it up... even common sense. But to those who choose to ingore, they ignore.

ouch.
"common sense" is a last ditch effort when you have nothing to present.
And you started with it this time...

 

[Robert.Evans]

Tell me what you mean by murder.
We probably will disagree. It is an extremely subjective term. Usually people just mean "homicide I think is wrong".
Tom

Wow! I didn't think for one moment, that you could into a debate about what murder was. You learn something new every day.
The scripture in depth says, do not inflict violence, kill, or murder. Will that do?

 

[Robert.Evans]

And just because something is "unlawful" doesn't mean it may be the "wrong" thing to do at the time either. It may be "wrong" according to the law but it may not be personally for the person doing the killing depending on the situation they are in.

Killing is wrong.

 

[Draka]

Never said it was easy.
EDIT
though saying that, in the lord it is.

Ballsweat. You victimize the victim. You would continue their abuse AND say that it is your god that decrees it so all while maintaining your god is "good". Utter bullspit.

 

[McBell]

Wow! I didn't think for one moment, that you could into a debate about what murder was. You learn something new every day.
The scripture in depth says, do not inflict violence, kill, or murder. Will that do?

You just demonstrated why he flat out asked you to define what you mean by murder.
Now the question is if you are actually going to define what you mean by murder.
Thus far you have not.

 

[McBell]

Killing is wrong.

not always.
Self defense for example.

 

[Robert.Evans]

ouch.
"common sense" is a last ditch effort when you have nothing to present.
And you started with it this time...

Well there doesn't seem any point does there. You won't agree and I am sure you have looked into the subject as far as you want to.

 

[Draka]

Killing is wrong.

Is killing a killer wrong? Is killing someone trying to kill you wrong? Trying to kill your spouse or child? I suppose that if you had the full capability to take out the guy about to rip open your child's neck with a knife you would stop, think to yourself, "killing is wrong" and just watch them kill your child? That would be best right? Because then they will have the "sin" of killing and not you. Sure, your child had to die to keep your soul clean, but hey, it's worth it right?

 

[Robert.Evans]

not always.
Self defense for example.

Killing is wrong.

 

[viole]

Wow! I didn't think for one moment, that you could into a debate about what murder was. You learn something new every day.
The scripture in depth says, do not inflict violence, kill, or murder. Will that do?

Scriptures are not very pasimonous. Do not inflict violence would have been sufficient. Were the authors payed by the number of words they write?

Forgetting for a second that God does exactly that most of the time in the Bible.

Ciao

- viole

 

[McBell]

Well there doesn't seem any point does there. You won't agree and I am sure you have looked into the subject as far as you want to.

Good idea to back out of this particular tangent.
You have always in the past had your arse handed to you.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Is killing a killer wrong? Is killing someone trying to kill you wrong? Trying to kill your spouse or child? I suppose that if you had the full capability to take out the guy about to rip open your child's neck with a knife you would stop, think to yourself, "killing is wrong" and just watch them kill your child? That would be best right? Because then they will have the "sin" of killing and not you. Sure, your child had to die to keep your soul clean, but hey, it's worth it right?

Defend or kill?

 

[McBell]

Killing is wrong.

Merely repeating the same false statement does not make it any more true.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Scriptures are not very pasimonous. Do not inflict violence would have been sufficient. Were the authors payed by the number of words they write?

Forgetting for a second that God does exactly that most of the time in the Bible.

Ciao

- viole

Its a long answer, oh cute one.
But who then is God?

 

[Draka]

not always.
Self defense for example.

Killing is wrong.

Seems you have answered the question I already asked. Yes, you would let your child die rather than take any action to save their life, including the killing of their attacker. Good to know. I know where you stand. Firmly on the side of insanity.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Merely repeating the same false statement does not make it any more true.

So you are saying that killing is right then.