Tumah
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...but it is definitely sufficiently accurate.I believe that it is "sufficient enough". You might look up the word "accurate". I did.
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Are there two God's words?
- Thread starter savagewind
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OK So I see accurate means correct in all details; exact. Is there a meaning of accurate that I am not aware of?
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Jesus is recorded as quoting authoritatively from dozens of old testament books as Scripture and affirming their truth.
Never once does He rebuke the people for believing something that is written in scripture. He only rebukes people for believing in the non-biblical traditions of men.
If Jesus had such a high view of scripture I call that convincing evidence; However, I am not sure what you would define as "convincing evidence", so it's difficult to answer your question.
OK! If the something in The Book causes trouble for you you can blame Jesus Christ. It works for me.
I do not understand this post.
The Bible is a THING. God's son is a PERSON. There is a difference between people and things. Isn't there?
According to the Law if an unclean thing touches a clean thing then the clean thing is made unclean. Is this accurate?
You asked for convincing evidence that the Bible is God's Word.
I asked you what you consider convincing evidence to be.
You didn't answer my question. Unless your answer is "nothing can convince me".
If I know what would convince me I would have it and be convinced. I know for a certainty that my modern English Bible IS NOT God's word. How can it be? It has a change from a verb to a noun at Matthew 28:19. The writer of it wrote disciple (a verb) but all the Bibles say it means a noun. A verb is not a noun fyi.
I understand that the Bible leads a person to God's Word. Is that a good enough compromise?
Matthew 28:19 is accurately translated by telling them to go and make disciples of all the nations, or teach all the nations, depending on the translation you'll get slightly different wording but still the same meaning.
So I am not sure what your problem is with this verse if the same meaning is communicated as the greek.
You have a misunderstanding of what the Word of God is.
The physical paper and binding of a Bible is not the Word of God. However, the communication, thoughts, commands, will, intent, heart, etc contained in the Bible is God's Word.
It is still God's Word regardless of the medium; Whether it be an audio Bible, a scroll, or an ipad.
Jesus is God's Word living in the flesh. He communicates God's Word to us and lives it perfectly. He is the embodiment of it to us.
God's Word is also in a sense who God is, as that is what he communicates to us through the expression of his will, his commands, his desires, etc. God's communicate is different from man's communication in that sense because it is without error or deceit. God perfectly knows himself and communicates himself perfectly to us. Something we could not do with each other even if we wanted to.
I edited my original post to add in information about the Aramaic Targum that may help you make the connection that "word" in the Bible is a term of deep significance that does not fully translate in our english use of "word".
Whether you call it the Logos (Greek) or the Memra (Aramaic), the concept is what you should be focused on if you want to understand what it is communicating to you.
Grasping the nature of God's Word also requires insight from the Holy Spirit to give you understanding. God promises to give wisdom to those who ask, so start asking with a sincere heart that desires only what is truth and study the scripture.
Exactly.
The Living God is my LORD. The Bible is not my lord. Nuf said.
We already established that Jesus called scripture the word of God.
You're going to have trouble making Him your Lord if your reject what He has to say about scripture.
Acts 11:1, 1 Thessalonians 2:13, and John 1 together shows us that the Word of God is a term that has more meaning than what you try to limit it to. It encompasses both Jesus and God's communication to us. They are in effect one and the same. It could even be argued from scripture that all communication from God comes through Jesus (also seen referred to as the Angel of the Lord in the old testament), and indeed as the Heavens are said to communicate the glory of God to us so too are we told they were created through Jesus.
I can understand why that might confuse you - but just because it is confusing to you doesn't make it untrue. Paul talks about there being profound mysteries about some things in Ephesians 5:32. By mystery I believe he means things which can only really be understood with the help of the Holy Spirit bringing understanding to us. The natural mind can't be expected to grasp some things by itself (1 corinthians 2:14)
Consider these scriptures as well:
John 10:27
John 14:15
Luke 6:46
Matthew 4:4
John 17:17
John 5:39
You're going to have a difficult time trying to make the Living Word of God, Jesus, your Lord if you reject the Word of God as found in the Bible - because it is His Word. You can't obey His Word, and abide in Him, if you reject His Word (John 15).
You're going to have trouble making Him your Lord if your reject what He has to say about scripture.
Acts 11:1, 1 Thessalonians 2:13, and John 1 together shows us that the Word of God is a term that has more meaning than what you try to limit it to. It encompasses both Jesus and God's communication to us. They are in effect one and the same. It could even be argued from scripture that all communication from God comes through Jesus (also seen referred to as the Angel of the Lord in the old testament), and indeed as the Heavens are said to communicate the glory of God to us so too are we told they were created through Jesus.
I can understand why that might confuse you - but just because it is confusing to you doesn't make it untrue. Paul talks about there being profound mysteries about some things in Ephesians 5:32. By mystery I believe he means things which can only really be understood with the help of the Holy Spirit bringing understanding to us. The natural mind can't be expected to grasp some things by itself (1 corinthians 2:14)
Consider these scriptures as well:
John 10:27
John 14:15
Luke 6:46
Matthew 4:4
John 17:17
John 5:39
You're going to have a difficult time trying to make the Living Word of God, Jesus, your Lord if you reject the Word of God as found in the Bible - because it is His Word. You can't obey His Word, and abide in Him, if you reject His Word (John 15).
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morphesium
Active Member
No, neither of them.
No, we haven't. It is TRADITION which makes it that. I believe there exists the words of God. YOU must prove that all the other words that are among God's words are also God's words.
YOU say I am rejecting God words. I am not rejecting them. I am saying, God is not a book.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I would think that anything God says is His word. It doesn't matter whether He says it through His Son or through others chosen to speak of His behalf (as in the Bible).
They do not say the Bible is God's words. They say it is God's WORD.
There are God's words everywhere imho. But they say scripture is God's word which can not be changed. ALL OF IT. None of it can be changed according to them. I understand that the important thing is to recognize the true meaning of the words. I understand that God's meaning does not change. I am certain that some of God's words spoken by God's prophets have had their meaning changed by people. God will not change the meaning. People do that. They say God will never allow people to change the meaning of God's words. And as far as I know their only proof is 2 Timothy 3:16, 2 Peter 1:20-21, and Romans 15:4. But I think the meaning of those scriptures have been changed.