Are there verses in the bible that have been proven to be scientifically true after the writing?

[Polymath257]

Another error on your part perhaps, but not an error of the bible, the sun was created after the planets of our solar system.

No, it was not. The formation was at roughly the same time. Life came much later.

 

[Polymath257]

First of all, you have not conceded that the bible is correct in stating that the planets were created before our sun.

Because it is false. The sun and planets were formed at roughly the same time. The T-Tauri stage for the sun was a stage after the basic formation of the sun and planets.

No, there is no Icy Firmament outside of the solar system.

 

[Polymath257]

The bible is correct my friend and you know it.

This scientific theory would appear to support the biblical statement, that the process of the division of the waters above from the waters below, [See Genesis 1: 6; KJV] or the division of the solar nebula cloud from the greater Galactic nebula cloud, began some five billion years ago, and that the whole process began with the division of the water above, from the waters below from which the entire Solar system was created. This took just a few hundred million years, about 400 million years in fact, and the creation of our entire solar system was completed by about 4.6 billion years ago.

This is nonsense for several reasons. First, the galaxy had already had a generation of stars by the time the nebula formed from which the sun and planets would condense. There was no 'Galactic Nebula' at that point (and probably never was). Second, calling the nebula 'waters' is crazy. While there is water in many nebula, it is far from being a primary component. Third, in such a context, 'above' and 'below would be meaningless terms.
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It was from the galactic nebular cloud, which was the residue of the heaver elements that were exploded off with the great super nova, which was the death of one of those gigantic earlier generation Stars that our Milky-Way galaxy would be formed in the second creative period=day, as the active universal forces brought about a division of the Solar nebular cloud [The Waters Below] from the Galactic nebular cloud [The Waters Above].

Well, you have part of the story right, at least in some sense. It's rather a stretch to cram it into the Biblical narrative. The 'galactic nebular cloud' was pretty small compared to the galaxy at large. The 'great super nova' is rather misleading: there would have been many such at the time. And those active universal forces are also known as gravity.

The accretion of the galactic nebula disk, which was being attracted to the central Black Hole around which it had begun to orbit, transferred angular momentum outward as it transferred mass inward, it was this that caused our solar nebula to begin to rotate and condense inward, bringing a division of the solar cloud, from the galactic cloud, or the waters above from the waters below.

You have two very different events confused: the formation of our galaxy, which happened about 12 billion years ago, and the formation of the sun and planets, which happened about 5 billion years ago. The black hole at the center of our galaxy had little to do with the formation of the sun and planets.

Within the greater galactic nebular cloud, which was slowly beginning to revolve around the Black Hole that anchored it in space, a piece of the larger cloud complex started to collapse about five billion years ago. The cloud complex had already been "polluted" with dust grains from previous generations of stars, so it was possible to form the rocky terrestrial planets as gravity pulled the gas and dust together, forming a solar nebula. As the cloud=waters of the solar nebula collapsed, its slight rotation increased. This is because of the conservation of angular momentum.

Once again, there was no larger galactic nebula at the time of the formation of the solar system. There were large clouds of gas and dust, yes. But they were NOT part of the formation of our galaxy, but a result of that previous formation.

Just like a dancer who spins faster as she pulls in her arms, the cloud began to spin as it collapsed. Eventually, the cloud grew hotter and denser in the centre, with a disk of gas and dust surrounding it that was hot in the centre but cool at the edges. As the disk got thinner and thinner, particles began to stick together and form clumps. Some clumps got bigger, as particles and small clumps stuck to them, eventually forming planets or moons. Genesis 1: 6—9. As the heavenly cloud was gathered together in one place, dry land, or rather planets began to form. Near the centre of the condensing cloud, where planets like earth formed, only rocky material could stand the great heat. Icy matter settled in the outer regions of the disk along with rocky material, where the giant planets like Jupiter formed.

OK, you have some of the science right, but again the details required for the Biblical narrative are just wrong. The 'heavenly cloud' was NOT brought together in one place for dry land to appear. To equate planets and dry land is, at best, a reading that was clearly NOT in the original. This is called forcing an interpretation consistent with the science. In NO way would you have gotten this out of the Bible if you didn't already known the science.

As the cloud continued to fall in, the centre would get so hot that it would eventually become a star and blow away most of the gas and dust from which the planets of the solar system had been formed, with a strong stellar wind.

By studying meteorites, which are thought to be left over from this early phase of the solar system, scientists have found that the solar system is about 4.6 billion years old! As the solar nebula collapsed, the gas and dust heated up through collisions among the particles. The solar nebula heated up to around 3000 K so everything was in a gaseous form. The solar nebula's composition was similar to the present-day Sun's composition: about 93% hydrogen, 6% helium, and about 1% silicates and iron, and the density of the gas and dust increased toward the core where the proto-sun was: [PROTO SUN.]. The inner, denser regions collapsed more quickly than the outer regions.

Around Jupiter's distance from the proto-Sun the temperature was cool enough to freeze water (the so-called "snow line" or "frost line"). Further out from the proto-Sun, ammonia and methane were able to condense. There was a significant amount of water closer to the Proto-sun, but could not condense. When the solar nebula stopped collapsing it began cooling, though the core that would later form the Sun remained hot.

This meant that the outer parts of the solar nebula cooled off more than the inner parts closer to the hot proto-Sun. Only metal and rock materials could condense (solidify) at the high temperatures close to the proto-Sun. Therefore, the metal and rock materials could condense in all the places where the planets were forming. Volatile materials (like water, methane and ammonia) could only condense in the outer parts of the solar nebula.

Because the density of the solar nebula material increased inward, there was more water at Jupiter's distance than at the distances of Saturn, Uranus, or Neptune. The greater amount of water ice at Jupiter's distance from the proto-Sun helped it grow larger than the other planets. Although, there was more water closer to the proto-Sun than Jupiter, that water was too warm to condense. Material with the highest freezing temperatures condensed to form the chondrules that were then incorporated in lower freezing temperature material. Chondrules (from Ancient Greek chondros, meaning grain) are round grains found in chondrites. Chondrules form as molten or partially molten droplets in space before being accreted to their parent asteroids.

Any material that later became part of a planet underwent further heating and processing when the planet differentiated so the heavy metals sunk to the planet's core and lighter metals floated up to nearer the surface.

Because of its great compression, the core of the proto-Sun finally reached about 10 million Kelvin and after the planets of the solar system had been created, the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy.

It was then that the proto-Sun "TURNED ON" and became our Sun, which produced the strong winds called T-Tauri winds named after the prototype star in the constellation Taurus.

These winds swept out the rest of the nebula that was not already incorporated into the planets. With most of the cocoon gas blown away, the new star itself becomes visible to the outside for the first time. This whole process took just a few hundred million years and was finished by about 4.6 billion years ago. At the distance of about one light year from the earth, is the great icy Dome, that is the boundary of the firmament of our heavens, in which the sun, moon, and planets of our solar system were created.

Don't you feel ashamed for abandoning the Lord, whose words are proving to be true?

No. Your timing isn't quite correct. The formation of the planets and the sun were essentially at the same time. The formation of 'dry land' being equated to the formation of the planets is a huge stretch. The sun was already formed before it entered the T-tauri stage (as were the planets). And there is no Icy Dome.

I'll give you credit for one of the more inventive interpretations of the Biblical narrative.

 

[Polymath257]

The Oort cloud, or the Opik-Oort cloud, which is named after Jan Oort, is a spherical cloud that surrounds our solar system, a cloud of predominantly icy objects such as comets that are comprised of mainly hydrogen, oxygen=water, ammonia and methane, and extends up to about a light year from the sun and defines the cosmographical boundary of our Solar System and the region of the suns gravitational dominance. Here is the Firmament, the great spherical vault within which is found the sun, moons and planets of our solar system, the dome of ice above us.

You realize that the Oort cloud is NOT solid, right? That it is not a dome? And that is is mostly empty space?

Knowing that the planets of our solar system were already created before the sun came into existence when the hydrogen nuclei within the condensing solar cloud started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy thereby creating our sun, we must now ask the question, “Did life on earth begin to evolve before the creation of the sun?” As is recorded in the Bible. And can life exist without sunlight? Proof of this is to be found in the darkest depths of our oceans, where life has evolved over six miles beneath the surface where sunlight does not and cannot penetrate. This subject will be discussed in greater detail at a later stage.

Life at the geothermal vents, I'm guessing? Again, not exactly in line with the Biblical narrative.

 

[nPeace]

So right on the health thing - not so hot on anatomy...and of course its not the alcohol that confers these particular health benefits is it - its the antioxidants - especially in red wine - and that is also in unfermented grape juice...so no need to consume alcohol at all (not that I'm agin' it in any way)...

I use red wines, where the alcohol level doesn't exceed 15 - 35%.
I had read that these wines are naturally fermented, and beneficial, since they don't have spirits added.
I think that's what causes the problem - chemicals, and of course, immoderate use.

 

[nPeace]

Heck - toilets with flowing water are known from archaeological sites dating to more than a millennium or two before that was written in the Bible. In the Indus valley they had flush toilets and sewers at a site dated to about 2350 BC. Even dogs and cats bury their excrement, though admittedly they don't write stories about it. Thank dog for that!

I thought the OP asked about things

proven to be scientifically true after the writing?

You have given me something new today. I didn't know that dogs bury their excrement. You think those dogs were around cats they absolutely adored?

 

[Audie]

What you call a flaw I call my glory.

'And only one for birthday presents, you know. There's glory for you!'

'I don't know what you mean by "glory",' Alice said.

Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. 'Of course you don't — till I tell you. I meant "there's a nice knock-down argument for you!"'

'But "glory" doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument",' Alice objected.

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master — that's all.'

 

[Audie]

Give me verses that tell of things once thought wrong or just a fable that have now been shown to be truth.

Considering how pretty much everyone in the western
world was (forced to be) "Christian", there was not much
room for doubt, for a long time.

As for references to places or civilizations unknown
except for the bible, it is only reasonable to pur
acceptance of their reality on hold.

Particularly in view of the places and events that
are talked about but are not to be found. Like, say,
the "Garden of Eden". "Tower of Babel".
"Sodom and Gomorrah".

Then of course there are the fictitious events, like
the six day poof and the so called "flood".

Withal, the bible does ok as a semi-historical novel
from one culture's pov, with a lot of magic realism tossed
in. Generally kind of boring, with some decent poetry,
terrible economic, medical, and agricultural advice,
some good and some bad moral examples to follow.

Ok, but far from worth the vast amount of time spent
studying it

 

[Audie]

Your first mistake is to even think of it as a possible "science book". It is ideology. Not science. But as any book, the facts within it can be proven either true or false by current evidence.

So you know of any that are proven false?

 

[Audie]

Most disputed his existence before the evidence was uncovered. Most of the world are not Christian and have claimed for 2000 years that the words in this collection of books are false totally. With evidence of the truth within the words people should have understood that they cannot disprove it because it is fact. Over and over it has been proven to be such. By scientific laws this makes it "hard" evidence. However, most scientists will never admit that.

I wonder how you can feel comfortable making up such blatant and obvious falsehoods.

"False totally?" Like when the "book" mentions Egypt?
hahaha.

""most scientists" will not admit there is a Dead Sea,
and, oh yeah, Egypt? It is what you are saying.

Ridiculous. Your expect that you should be taken seriously
when you make up such lame nonsense?

 

[ChristineM]

Really?? You call your act of breaking the Ninth Commandment your glory?

Or 8th depending on which version of the bible used.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Give me verses that tell of things once thought wrong or just a fable that have now been shown to be truth.

Hundreds, perhaps thousands of examples in archaeology. Archaeology is a modern science, the ancients didn't have it, so when scoffers give late dates for certain Bible books, then we see the Bible writers got architectural and cultural details right contemporaneous to their authorship--boom!

Liberals have been pushing back the dates of Moses's authorship again and again and again . . .

 

[ChristineM]

Most disputed his existence before the evidence was uncovered. Most of the world are not Christian and have claimed for 2000 years that the words in this collection of books are false totally. With evidence of the truth within the words people should have understood that they cannot disprove it because it is fact. Over and over it has been proven to be such. By scientific laws this makes it "hard" evidence. However, most scientists will never admit that.

Any good fiction will include elements of fact to make it believable. Examples : mt Ararat exists, there is no evidence for a global flood, ark story is simply impossible on so many levels. Pilate is documented to have lived in several different and unconnected media, there is no evidence for Jesus trial, dispensation, crucifixion, resurrection etc.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hundreds, perhaps thousands of examples in archaeology. Archaeology is a modern science, the ancients didn't have it, so when scoffers give late dates for certain Bible books, then we see the Bible writers got architectural and cultural details right contemporaneous to their authorship--boom!

Liberals have been pushing back the dates of Moses's authorship again and again and again . . .

"Liberals" has nothing to do with it. Moses was shown to be a myth a long time ago. How has the dates of his nonexistent writings ever been 'pushed back".. And you need to provide examples of archaeology. For example I have seen them make claims in regard to Jericho, but when the dates "proven" by Bible literalists have been shown to be wrong they ignore the corrections. You can't both claim to use science and then ignore the corrections to the science that you supposed accept.

For example, the Bible tries to claim that all Canaanites were killed through genocide ordered by God. Recent DNA analysis shows that that did not happen.

 

[Audie]

Any good fiction will include elements of fact to make it believable. Examples : mt Ararat exists, there is no evidence for a global flood, ark story is simply impossible on so many levels. Pilate is documented to have lived in several different and unconnected media, there is no evidence for Jesus trial, dispensation, crucifixion, resurrection etc.

Any good fiction, or any con man will include enough
that is real to make the rest seem legit.

 

[Audie]

"Liberals" has nothing to do with it. Moses was shown to be a myth a long time ago. How has the dates of his nonexistent writings ever been 'pushed back"..................... You can't both claim to use science and then ignore the corrections to the science that you supposed accept.

.

Can so.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The bible is correct my friend and you know it.

This scientific theory would appear to support the biblical statement, that the process of the division of the waters above from the waters below, [See Genesis 1: 6; KJV] or the division of the solar nebula cloud from the greater Galactic nebula cloud, began some five billion years ago, and that the whole process began with the division of the water above, from the waters below from which the entire Solar system was created. This took just a few hundred million years, about 400 million years in fact, and the creation of our entire solar system was completed by about 4.6 billion years ago.

It was from the galactic nebular cloud, which was the residue of the heaver elements that were exploded off with the great super nova, which was the death of one of those gigantic earlier generation Stars that our Milky-Way galaxy would be formed in the second creative period=day, as the active universal forces brought about a division of the Solar nebular cloud [The Waters Below] from the Galactic nebular cloud [The Waters Above].

The accretion of the galactic nebula disk, which was being attracted to the central Black Hole around which it had begun to orbit, transferred angular momentum outward as it transferred mass inward, it was this that caused our solar nebula to begin to rotate and condense inward, bringing a division of the solar cloud, from the galactic cloud, or the waters above from the waters below.

Within the greater galactic nebular cloud, which was slowly beginning to revolve around the Black Hole that anchored it in space, a piece of the larger cloud complex started to collapse about five billion years ago. The cloud complex had already been "polluted" with dust grains from previous generations of stars, so it was possible to form the rocky terrestrial planets as gravity pulled the gas and dust together, forming a solar nebula. As the cloud=waters of the solar nebula collapsed, its slight rotation increased. This is because of the conservation of angular momentum.

Just like a dancer who spins faster as she pulls in her arms, the cloud began to spin as it collapsed. Eventually, the cloud grew hotter and denser in the centre, with a disk of gas and dust surrounding it that was hot in the centre but cool at the edges. As the disk got thinner and thinner, particles began to stick together and form clumps. Some clumps got bigger, as particles and small clumps stuck to them, eventually forming planets or moons. Genesis 1: 6—9. As the heavenly cloud was gathered together in one place, dry land, or rather planets began to form. Near the centre of the condensing cloud, where planets like earth formed, only rocky material could stand the great heat. Icy matter settled in the outer regions of the disk along with rocky material, where the giant planets like Jupiter formed.

As the cloud continued to fall in, the centre would get so hot that it would eventually become a star and blow away most of the gas and dust from which the planets of the solar system had been formed, with a strong stellar wind.

By studying meteorites, which are thought to be left over from this early phase of the solar system, scientists have found that the solar system is about 4.6 billion years old! As the solar nebula collapsed, the gas and dust heated up through collisions among the particles. The solar nebula heated up to around 3000 K so everything was in a gaseous form. The solar nebula's composition was similar to the present-day Sun's composition: about 93% hydrogen, 6% helium, and about 1% silicates and iron, and the density of the gas and dust increased toward the core where the proto-sun was: [PROTO SUN.]. The inner, denser regions collapsed more quickly than the outer regions.

Around Jupiter's distance from the proto-Sun the temperature was cool enough to freeze water (the so-called "snow line" or "frost line"). Further out from the proto-Sun, ammonia and methane were able to condense. There was a significant amount of water closer to the Proto-sun, but could not condense. When the solar nebula stopped collapsing it began cooling, though the core that would later form the Sun remained hot.

This meant that the outer parts of the solar nebula cooled off more than the inner parts closer to the hot proto-Sun. Only metal and rock materials could condense (solidify) at the high temperatures close to the proto-Sun. Therefore, the metal and rock materials could condense in all the places where the planets were forming. Volatile materials (like water, methane and ammonia) could only condense in the outer parts of the solar nebula.

Because the density of the solar nebula material increased inward, there was more water at Jupiter's distance than at the distances of Saturn, Uranus, or Neptune. The greater amount of water ice at Jupiter's distance from the proto-Sun helped it grow larger than the other planets. Although, there was more water closer to the proto-Sun than Jupiter, that water was too warm to condense. Material with the highest freezing temperatures condensed to form the chondrules that were then incorporated in lower freezing temperature material. Chondrules (from Ancient Greek chondros, meaning grain) are round grains found in chondrites. Chondrules form as molten or partially molten droplets in space before being accreted to their parent asteroids.

Any material that later became part of a planet underwent further heating and processing when the planet differentiated so the heavy metals sunk to the planet's core and lighter metals floated up to nearer the surface.

Because of its great compression, the core of the proto-Sun finally reached about 10 million Kelvin and after the planets of the solar system had been created, the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy.

It was then that the proto-Sun "TURNED ON" and became our Sun, which produced the strong winds called T-Tauri winds named after the prototype star in the constellation Taurus.

These winds swept out the rest of the nebula that was not already incorporated into the planets. With most of the cocoon gas blown away, the new star itself becomes visible to the outside for the first time. This whole process took just a few hundred million years and was finished by about 4.6 billion years ago. At the distance of about one light year from the earth, is the great icy Dome, that is the boundary of the firmament of our heavens, in which the sun, moon, and planets of our solar system were created.

Don't you feel ashamed for abandoning the Lord, whose words are proving to be true?

TLDR, when one writes a "book" to try to refute a simple post that alone tells me that they are wrong. Once again, you do not seem to realize that the Earth is a planet. It was not formed before the Sun. Genesis is wrong. Right at the start.

 

[Audie]

I can see that you have never been out late at night outside of urban area at night. There are roughly 4,500 visible stars on a clear night. To anyone trying to count that would be innumerable:

https://www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-resources/how-many-stars-night-sky-09172014/

My gosh and even a caveman can see that they
vary in brightness.

 

[Audie]

The technical terms today would not be exactly as then but you get the idea

additionally

Stars being innumerable and starts differing glory to glory are scientifically proven
At one time stars might be thought to be of limited number like 600 or so

At one time might by someone somewhere who knows
who.

Even a caveman would notice there were too many stars to try to count them, and, that they vary in brightness. That is some book ya have, to have that kinda wisdom. I outta get one and see if it has good advice on snakebite.

 

[The Anointed]

TLDR, when one writes a "book" to try to refute a simple post that alone tells me that they are wrong. Once again, you do not seem to realize that the Earth is a planet. It was not formed before the Sun. Genesis is wrong. Right at the start.

Sorry son, but your scientists have proven that after the planets of our solar system had been created from the condensing solar nebula cloud, the core of that condensing cloud finally reached about 10 million Kelvin and the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium and a lot of Energy and our sun burst into light and life, producing the strong winds called T-Tauri winds which swept out the rest of the nebula that was not already incorporated into the planets.

Proving that the words of the SON OF MAN, [The Omega] our Lord and saviour, were correct and proves you to be wrong.