Are we deaf?

[Unveiled Artist]

(Lower d)

If prophets are human as we are, have we lost our hearing since 1817 (bahaullah) and 1805 (joseph smith), where they have heard the voice of god but our ears are mute to the message they received directly?

Where, from point A to point B, did we loose our hearing?

 

[Quintessence]

Presuming you mean to invoke the Abrahamic god specifically, there are plenty of people since then that believe they are prophets or have heard the voice of the Abrahamic god (or Jesus, Mary, the Holy Spirit, angels, etc.). Things like A Course in Miracles are precisely that. They tend to be part of new/alternative religious movements, particularly the New Age demographic. As such, they tend to not be taken seriously at all by the mainstream traditions of Christianity. Perhaps, then, the question to ask is where did various traditions lose their ability to incorporate revelations from contemporary prophets?

 

[David1967]

Assuming they heard the voice of God. I'm not saying they didn't, but....

 

[Looncall]

(Lower d)

If prophets are human as we are, have we lost our hearing since 1817 (bahaullah) and 1805 (joseph smith), where they have heard the voice of god but our ears are mute to the message they received directly?

Where, from point A to point B, did we loose our hearing?

Perhaps most people have become more resistant to con artists.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Perhaps most people have become more resistant to con artists.

Not something I would ever endorse, of course - or improve on.

 

[Nakosis]

(Lower d)

If prophets are human as we are, have we lost our hearing since 1817 (bahaullah) and 1805 (joseph smith), where they have heard the voice of god but our ears are mute to the message they received directly?

Where, from point A to point B, did we loose our hearing?

Paracusia

A paracusia, or auditory hallucination, is a form of hallucination that involves perceiving sounds without auditory stimulus.
A common form of auditory hallucination involves hearing one or more talking voices. This may be associated with psychotic disorders, and holds special significance in diagnosing these conditions. However, individuals without any psychiatric disease whatsoever may hear voices.
There are three main categories into which the hearing of talking voices often fall: a person hearing a voice speak one's thoughts, a person hearing one or more voices arguing, or a person hearing a voice narrating his/her own actions. These three categories do not account for all types of auditory hallucinations.
Other types of auditory hallucination include exploding head syndrome and musical ear syndrome. In the latter, people will hear music playing in their mind, usually songs they are familiar with. This can be caused by: lesions on the brain stem (often resulting from a stroke); also, sleep disorders such as narcolepsy, tumors, encephalitis, or abscesses. This should be distinguished from the commonly experienced phenomenon of getting a song stuck in one's head. Reports have also mentioned that it is also possible to get musical hallucinations from listening to music for long periods of time. Other reasons include hearing loss and epileptic activity.
In the past, the cause of auditory hallucinations has been attributed to cognitive suppression by way of executive function failure of the fronto-parietal sulcus. Newer research has found that they coincide with the left superior temporal gyrus, suggesting that they are better attributed to speech misrepresentations. It is assumed through research that the neural pathways involved in normal speech perception and production, which are lateralized to the left temporal lobe, also underlie auditory hallucinations. Auditory hallucinations correspond with spontaneous neural activity of the left temporal lobe, and the subsequent primary auditory cortex. The perception of auditory hallucinations correspond to the experience of actual external hearing, despite the absence of physical acoustic output.Auditory hallucination - Wikipedia

Hearing voices is not that common I think.
It is estimated that between 5% and 28% of the general population hears voices that other people do not. Hearing voices

I suspect someone who is faithful is likely to accept these audio hallucinations as messages from God. Also receiving such a message is likely to trigger a feeling of bliss or euphoria and accepted as a "spiritual experience".

These days people are more skeptical. In hearing voices they are more likely to seek psychiatric help and are less likely to be accepted as prophets.

 

[sun rise]

Where, from point A to point B, did we loose our hearing?

I don't think this is what you meant, but it came to me thinking about your questions:

I think about age 7 when the personality starts coming to the fore. Some may retain the sense that there's more to life than the mundane, but it seems to me that most have a time through adolescence and sometimes through a lot of adulthood where ordinary dreams and pursuits are the focus. Then, for some, when the time is right, awakening occurs.

 

[sun rise]

These days people are more skeptical. In hearing voices they are more likely to seek psychiatric help and are less likely to be accepted as prophets.

I don't take "hearing voices" literally when it comes to prophets. To me hearing a divine voice is a matter of feeling and intuition and a sense of nearness.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Im looking for a productive answer. I wouldnt call people misguided for hearing gods voice. What does puzzle me is the time gap between mainstream believing in prophets than in X time period, anyone who says they hear gods voice (like an old friend I had), they are crazy.

It makes me wonder the difference between then and now.

Who authenticate which voice comes from god and which does not.

 

[Jumi]

There's still people who think they're some kind of divine messengers. They didn't stop with J.Smith and Bahaullah for sure.

 

[Nakosis]

I don't take "hearing voices" literally when it comes to prophets. To me hearing a divine voice is a matter of feeling and intuition and a sense of nearness.

So do you think Prophets just felt they were right about whatever they decided to write down as God's word? Like, this sounds good and I've got an intuition it probably came for God?

 

[Nakosis]

There's still people who think they're some kind of divine messengers. They didn't stop with J.Smith and Bahaullah for sure.

Sure, they are just less likely to be taken seriously by entire nations as in the past.

I image the Kings/tribal leaders used prophets to secure their position of authority over the rest of the tribe. Now we have democracy.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

If prophets are human as we are, have we lost our hearing since 1817 (bahaullah) and 1805 (joseph smith), where they have heard the voice of god but our ears are mute to the message they received directly?

I take with a grain of salt any prophet who chooses to run a denomination or religion. There should be a humility that becoming spiritual leader doesn't express.

I also don't think "prophets" are the only ones who sense the divine. Just because they don't seek power or money doesn't mean they aren't listening.

Im looking for a productive answer. I wouldnt call people misguided for bearing gods voice. What does puzzle me is the time gap between mainstream believing in prophets than in X time period, anyone who says they hear gods voice (like an old friend I had), they are crazy.

People need long-dead prophets so the prophets aren't around to tell them they're wrong.

So do you think Prophets just felt they were right about whatever they decided to write down as God's word? Like, this sounds good and I've got an intuition it probably came for God?

Well, there used to be literal Muses, goddesses of inspiration for various subjects, so it's not difficult to believe they just felt divine inspiration was the cause of their talent.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

There's still people who think they're some kind of divine messengers. They didn't stop with J.Smith and Bahaullah for sure.

What religion are the newer prophets of?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I don't take "hearing voices" literally when it comes to prophets. To me hearing a divine voice is a matter of feeling and intuition and a sense of nearness.

Do you share simular sentiments with the prophets or are their feelings different than yours?

(different as in directness and validity of source rather than different individual expressions from the same source)

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I don't think this is what you meant, but it came to me thinking about your questions:

I think about age 7 when the personality starts coming to the fore. Some may retain the sense that there's more to life than the mundane, but it seems to me that most have a time through adolescence and sometimes through a lot of adulthood where ordinary dreams and pursuits are the focus. Then, for some, when the time is right, awakening occurs.

Hmm. A lot of us have awaking. The interestint think is the further back one goes, the more that "awakening" is more authentic. If it cant be tested (due to everyone being dead), its fine and divine. If I had the same awakening, Id be critized as crazy or "another one."

Did we stop loosing trust in peoples divine experiences?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Paracusia

A paracusia, or auditory hallucination, is a form of hallucination that involves perceiving sounds without auditory stimulus.
A common form of auditory hallucination involves hearing one or more talking voices. This may be associated with psychotic disorders, and holds special significance in diagnosing these conditions. However, individuals without any psychiatric disease whatsoever may hear voices.
There are three main categories into which the hearing of talking voices often fall: a person hearing a voice speak one's thoughts, a person hearing one or more voices arguing, or a person hearing a voice narrating his/her own actions. These three categories do not account for all types of auditory hallucinations.
Other types of auditory hallucination include exploding head syndrome and musical ear syndrome. In the latter, people will hear music playing in their mind, usually songs they are familiar with. This can be caused by: lesions on the brain stem (often resulting from a stroke); also, sleep disorders such as narcolepsy, tumors, encephalitis, or abscesses. This should be distinguished from the commonly experienced phenomenon of getting a song stuck in one's head. Reports have also mentioned that it is also possible to get musical hallucinations from listening to music for long periods of time. Other reasons include hearing loss and epileptic activity.
In the past, the cause of auditory hallucinations has been attributed to cognitive suppression by way of executive function failure of the fronto-parietal sulcus. Newer research has found that they coincide with the left superior temporal gyrus, suggesting that they are better attributed to speech misrepresentations. It is assumed through research that the neural pathways involved in normal speech perception and production, which are lateralized to the left temporal lobe, also underlie auditory hallucinations. Auditory hallucinations correspond with spontaneous neural activity of the left temporal lobe, and the subsequent primary auditory cortex. The perception of auditory hallucinations correspond to the experience of actual external hearing, despite the absence of physical acoustic output.Auditory hallucination - Wikipedia

Hearing voices is not that common I think.
It is estimated that between 5% and 28% of the general population hears voices that other people do not. Hearing voices

I suspect someone who is faithful is likely to accept these audio hallucinations as messages from God. Also receiving such a message is likely to trigger a feeling of bliss or euphoria and accepted as a "spiritual experience".

These days people are more skeptical. In hearing voices they are more likely to seek psychiatric help and are less likely to be accepted as prophets.

Interesting. Makes me think if Im psycho given my experiences. Its not the voices that needs treatment. Thats like treating me because Im sad all the time. Its how those voices (or sadness) affect the persons health, well being of themselves, and others. Skeptics are cool. Relieves us from being burnt to the stake or guillotined.

I know were not in the past but what seperates prophet believers then and now, really? We can call them misguided and crazy but it was common place. At what point in time did placebos start getting a bad rep regardless of the benefit it has on the person taking it?

 

[Jumi]

What religion are the newer prophets of?

Wide and varied, lots of them in India and the US I think.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Perhaps most people have become more resistant to con artists.

Probably not. They could have genuine believe just as the prophet they place their faith. Unless god is a con artist, thats like calling the messenger out on a mistake on part of the one who gave the message.

 

[Looncall]

Probably not. They could have genuine believe just as the prophet they place their faith. Unless god is a con artist, thats like calling the messenger out on a mistake on part of the one who gave the message.

You are presuming that there is a god.

My considered opinion is that religion is entirely a scam designed to provide power and livelihoods to clerics. The reason it is so widespread is that it has been refined over millennia.