Are we deaf?

[Faithofchristian]

Alot of people over look what Christ Jesus has said, about prophets, What Christ Jesus said will prove whether a Prophet is a true Prophet or a false Prophet.

"Nevertheless I must walk to day
, and to morrow, and the day following:
For it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem" Luke 13:33

Therefore if a prophet is a true prophet, Then that prophet would die in and around Jerusalem.

Seeing the Mormon's prophet Joseph Smith died at Carthage IL USA.
This being along ways from Jerusalem of Israel.

Therefore Christ Jesus proves Joseph Smith as being a false prophet. Of not dieing at Jerusalem of Israel.

Therefore, for anyone to claim to be a prophet will die in Jerusalem of Israel and no where else. If they do not die in Jerusalem of Israel, Then they are a false prophet.

Take the Seventh day Adventist prophet
Ellen G.White, her dieing at
Battle Creek Mich USA, Is a long ways from Jerusalem of Israel.
Therefore, showing Ellen G.White being a false prophet.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You are presuming that there is a god.

My considered opinion is that religion is entirely a scam designed to provide power and livelihoods to clerics. The reason it is so widespread is that it has been refined over millennia.

I dont see it that way. When I was happily involved in religion-practice and culture of a said faith-I saw no scams in the individual people who practiced. Any group of people will have their political upheavals; but, in religion, that doesnt define at all what their doctrine states. People can vear from their doctrine in politics but if I were to judge a religion, Id do so by what it teaches not how its people interpret it. If I judged, say, Buddhism by its people, Id never follow The Dharma.

I met Buddhist who try to convert. Buddhist asking for thousands of dollars to promote their cause. Buddhist putting down people who "arent real" buddhists and so forth. But the individual people (when they arent around their peers) are more reflective and genuine in how they pratice and express their faith. They represented the religion individually, but as a group it was peer preasure and politics not religion (as faith embedded in practice and culture).

Youd have to call The Dharma (source) a scam for its members (repesentatives) to be so. As a group, yes, I see the issue. Individually and doctrine, I dont. Ive yet to read a religion that says kill or die. That is All groups of people both in history and today.

But, anyway, I do talk as god exists because it makes more sense to the questions I ask. It would make no sense if I asked a honest question (which I asked believers) about their views without considering god in their answers. I can easily dismiss what they in light of my views. Thats probably why believers dont answer questions. I dont.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Alot of people over look what Christ Jesus has said, about prophets, What Christ Jesus said will prove whether a Prophet is a true Prophet or a false Prophet.

"Nevertheless I must walk to day
, and to morrow, and the day following:
For it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem" Luke 13:33

Therefore if a prophet is a true prophet, Then that prophet would die in and around Jerusalem.

Seeing the Mormon's prophet Joseph Smith died at Carthage IL USA.
This being along ways from Jerusalem of Israel.

Therefore Christ Jesus proves Joseph Smith as being a false prophet. Of not dieing at Jerusalem of Israel.

Therefore, for anyone to claim to be a prophet will die in Jerusalem of Israel and no where else. If they do not die in Jerusalem of Israel, Then they are a false prophet.

Take the Seventh day Adventist prophet
Ellen G.White, her dieing at
Battle Creek Mich USA, Is a long ways from Jerusalem of Israel.
Therefore, showing Ellen G.White being a false prophet.

Joseph and bahaullah were examples. I dont put down faiths, though. Very unattractive.

Since jesus is viewed as the High Prophet, he is, like others, a spokesperson for god. As such, between then and now, since he is human, we should be able to have that same god directly talking to us as Abraham did, Jesus, Muhammad, Joseph Smith, and Bahuallah, . We dont.

Without belittling other peoples religions and their prophets, they heard god speak to them (above) directly. At what point in the last thousands (which is quite recent compared to a million) years ago till mid or late 1800s when god stop talking to people?

Are you deaf to him actually talking to you?

Anyone can experience god but by abrahamic definition, hes not a feeling or experience. He is actually a being in which his followers communicated (or they talked to themselves?)



So, unless god is just an individual feeling, when did he stop talking, why, and what seperates thousand of years ago and today in regards to who can hear gods voice and which of those are deaf to it?

 

[Quintessence]

To take a step back for a moment, it occurs to me there might be some romanticizing of the past going on. That is to say, what evidence to we really have that those who channel the gods were taken any more seriously in the past than they are today? Didn't the church try to suppress people who claimed to speak for their god pretty actively back in the day? It's quite possible the cultural taboo of being a conduit for the gods has been a thing since the dawn of written history. We'd need to do a deeper dive on the issue to say, and I bet some academic has done it already. I couldn't tell you who, though.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

(Lower d)

If prophets are human as we are, have we lost our hearing since 1817 (bahaullah) and 1805 (joseph smith), where they have heard the voice of god but our ears are mute to the message they received directly?

Where, from point A to point B, did we loose our hearing?

If you take stock in Joseph Smith, why don't you take stock in any of the other people proclaimed as prophets by the LDS Church (who it has been said have also received relevatiom from God)?

List of presidents of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints - Wikipedia

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Alot of people over look what Christ Jesus has said, about prophets, What Christ Jesus said will prove whether a Prophet is a true Prophet or a false Prophet.

"Nevertheless I must walk to day
, and to morrow, and the day following:
For it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem" Luke 13:33

Therefore if a prophet is a true prophet, Then that prophet would die in and around Jerusalem.

According to the Bible, Moses died in Moab, not Jerusalem.

Peter and Paul supposedly died in Rome.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If you take stock in Joseph Smith, why don't you take stock in any of the other people proclaimed as prophets by the LDS Church (who it has been said have also received relevatiom from God)?

List of presidents of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints - Wikipedia

Do you understand the point of my question?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Do you understand the point of my question?

I do, and I think you're wrong. The people who consider Joseph Smith a prophet generally also consider Russel M. Nelson a prophet and believe that a continuous line of prophets from Smith to today have received periodic revelation from God.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I do, and I think you're wrong. The people who consider Joseph Smith a prophet generally also consider Russel M. Nelson a prophet and believe that a continuous line of prophets from Smith to today have received periodic revelation from God.

Yes... and for some reason they hear god directly but we do not. Whats up with the difference in one period, we can hear gods voice but hit the later time, we just lost our hearing.

Regardless if they did nor not is not more the point it said they did and now no one hears god unless they are accused of being a scam artist or crazy.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Joseph and bahaullah were examples. I dont put down faiths, though. Very unattractive.

Since jesus is viewed as the High Prophet, he is, like others, a spokesperson for god. As such, between then and now, since he is human, we should be able to have that same god directly talking to us as Abraham did, Jesus, Muhammad, Joseph Smith, and Bahuallah, . We dont.

Without belittling other peoples religions and their prophets, they heard god speak to them (above) directly. At what point in the last thousands (which is quite recent compared to a million) years ago till mid or late 1800s when god stop talking to people?

Are you deaf to him actually talking to you?

Anyone can experience god but by abrahamic definition, hes not a feeling or experience. He is actually a being in which his followers communicated (or they talked to themselves?)



So, unless god is just an individual feeling, when did he stop talking, why, and what seperates thousand of years ago and today in regards to who can hear gods voice and which of those are deaf to it?

God did not talk to anyone since John the Baptist was the last Prophet.

Seeing you don't have a clue or idea Who Jesus is.

Jesus is God himself, in the flesh body of Jesus.
God made himself a body, Then God put himself inside of the body of Christ Jesus.

There you have Jesus is God in the flesh.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

God did not talk to anyone since John the Baptist was the last Prophet.

Seeing you don't have a clue or idea Who Jesus is.

Jesus is God himself, in the flesh body of Jesus.
God made himself a body, Then God put himself inside of the body of Christ Jesus.

There you have Jesus is God in the flesh.

That is an insult. Why answer the question if you just going to put everyone down you disagree with?

Back to my OP.

Why did god not talk to people after john?

It wasnt That long ago. (Jesus being high prophet is in Acts I believe)

The rest is belittlement. You honestly dont know what I know And experienced in christ. That isnt the question.

No insults. Hurts my "ears."

 

[Faithofchristian]

According to the Bible, Moses died in Moab, not Jerusalem.

Peter and Paul supposedly died in Rome.

As for Moses, Jerusalem did not come to be, Until the time of king David.

Moses was not a Holy Prophet

As for Peter and Paul, neither one of them were Holy Prophet's.

There are two kinds of Prophets, The Holy Prophet's and the Minor Prophets.

The Holy Prophet's are the ones who were given the changing of the Covenant.

The Minor Prophets were given to expound upon what the Holy Prophet's had written.

But since John the Baptist there are no more Holy Prophet's to be sent.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yes... and for some reason they hear god directly but we do not. Whats up with the difference in one period, we can hear gods voice but hit the later time, we just lost our hearing.

Or another possibility: none of them were hearing "God's voice" at all, but we can make grandiose claims about what God told long-dead people, since they and anyone the person might have told about the experience aren't around to correct the story.

Regardless if they did nor not is not more the point it said they did and now no one hears god unless they are accused of being a scam artist or crazy.

I think that was mostly true back in the day as well: history is full of purported prophets being dismissed as charlatans.

Personally, I don't see any difference between the past and the present. I dismiss past "prophets" as likely charlatans as well.

 

[Faithofchristian]

That is an insult. Why answer the question if you just going to put everyone down you disagree with?

Back to my OP.

Why did god not talk to people after john?

It wasnt That long ago. (Jesus being high prophet is in Acts I believe)

The rest is belittlement. You honestly dont know what I know And experienced in christ. That isnt the question.

No insults. Hurts my "ears."

To answer your question, Why did God not talk to people after John the Baptist.

Why should God send any more Prophet's.
Seeing everything people need to know is all written down.

Even Christ Jesus said himself.

"But take you heed; Behold, I have foretold you all things" Mark 13:23

Therefore why would God or Christ Jesus need to send Prophets seeing that Jesus has already foretold all things written down in the Bible.

If you can not believe what Christ Jesus and God has said in their written word,
But yet people will believe a word of someone that comes professing to be a prophet.

So what people are doing, Taking a word of another, But yet can't believe Christ Jesus and God has said in their written word.

Let's for say, That you written everything down that your children needs to know,
But yet someone else comes and tells your children I'm a prophet listen to me, Never mind what your father has written down to you. Just take my word, over what your father has said.

Therefore why would I need a prophet, When I have Christ Jesus and God's word written down. To tell me everything I need to know.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

To answer your question, Why did God not talk to people after John the Baptist.

Why should God send any more Prophet's.
Seeing everything people need to know is all written down.

Even Christ Jesus said himself.

"But take you heed; Behold, I have foretold you all things" Mark 13:23

Therefore why would God or Christ Jesus need to send Prophets seeing that Jesus has already foretold all things written down in the Bible.

If you can not believe what Christ Jesus and God has said in their written word,
But yet people will believe a word of someone that comes professing to be a prophet.

So what people are doing, Taking a word of another, But yet can't believe Christ Jesus and God has said in their written word.

Let's for say, That you written everything down that your children needs to know,
But yet someone else comes and tells your children I'm a prophet listen to me, Never mind what your father has written down to you. Just take my word, over what your father has said.

Therefore why would I need a prophet, When I have Christ Jesus and God's word written down. To tell me everything I need to know.

I'll come back to this. My question is you and I are human just as humans were back when. How are we deaf to gods voice and the prophets are not?

It has nothing to do with another prophet after john. Not talking about more prophets.

Side note.

The only gods (not god) back in the NT days were Roman and Greek (who took on human characteristics and only considered gods because of their living forever; everything else they were like and treated like humans)

To be continued...

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I'll come back to this. My question is you and I are human just as humans were back when. How are we deaf to gods voice and the prophets are not?

Why do you assume that it's a matter of us being deaf and God just not talking to us?

Wouldn't any god worth his salt be capable of making himself heard if he wanted to be heard?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Why do you assume that it's a matter of us being deaf and God just not talking to us?

Do you think god speaks to believers now as he did in the bible? Quran even?

I dont agree that god exists. The idea that believers today (bahai, muslim, christian, whomever) doesnt hear gods voice the same way the prophets did only a thousand years ago makes me curious when god stopped talking. Whst justified the last of his voice during the time of the gods?

What year did people start saying "we need faith; god is spirit" when in roman times, the gods act like you and I, and the god in judaism is not attempted at all to be described by the first people who followed him?

Wouldn't any god worth his salt be capable of making himself heard if he wanted to be he

The idea of him become real, sure. Christians, so far I know, are the only makes god a being. I dont know if Muslims do (excluding christ), bahai says essence and jews dont discribe him.

So, dont know how to answer unless I met him myself.

 

[Nakosis]

Interesting. Makes me think if Im psycho given my experiences. Its not the voices that needs treatment. Thats like treating me because Im sad all the time. Its how those voices (or sadness) affect the persons health, well being of themselves, and others. Skeptics are cool. Relieves us from being burnt to the stake or guillotined.

I know were not in the past but what seperates prophet believers then and now, really? We can call them misguided and crazy but it was common place. At what point in time did placebos start getting a bad rep regardless of the benefit it has on the person taking it?

I'm not really against it if it keeps you happy and help you function through life effectively. I just question its divine authenticity.

 

[Fool]

Alot of people over look what Christ Jesus has said, about prophets, What Christ Jesus said will prove whether a Prophet is a true Prophet or a false Prophet.

"Nevertheless I must walk to day
, and to morrow, and the day following:
For it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem" Luke 13:33

Therefore if a prophet is a true prophet, Then that prophet would die in and around Jerusalem.

Seeing the Mormon's prophet Joseph Smith died at Carthage IL USA.
This being along ways from Jerusalem of Israel.

Therefore Christ Jesus proves Joseph Smith as being a false prophet. Of not dieing at Jerusalem of Israel.

Therefore, for anyone to claim to be a prophet will die in Jerusalem of Israel and no where else. If they do not die in Jerusalem of Israel, Then they are a false prophet.

Take the Seventh day Adventist prophet
Ellen G.White, her dieing at
Battle Creek Mich USA, Is a long ways from Jerusalem of Israel.
Therefore, showing Ellen G.White being a false prophet.

most of the disciple, who were all prophets, didn't die anywhere near jerusalem.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

To take a step back for a moment, it occurs to me there might be some romanticizing of the past going on. That is to say, what evidence to we really have that those who channel the gods were taken any more seriously in the past than they are today? Didn't the church try to suppress people who claimed to speak for their god pretty actively back in the day? It's quite possible the cultural taboo of being a conduit for the gods has been a thing since the dawn of written history. We'd need to do a deeper dive on the issue to say, and I bet some academic has done it already. I couldn't tell you who, though.

That would be an exellent study. So far in my art history class we just finished up, a lot of the roman and greek gods, unlikd those before, where humanlike. The only thng that sepersted them was they where eternal. They even "burried" the gods as if they were people. Makes me wonder if deitifying jesus came from that. In the gothic period, charles the great really dislike people worshiping other people. Do maybe, reflecting on whst you said, its pretty modern.

People used to communicate with the gods through objects. Dont know aboit roman so much in africa god spoke through people.