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Are we deaf?

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
o answer your question, Why did God not talk to people after John the Baptist.

Why should God send any more Prophet's.
Seeing everything people need to know is all written down.

I asked why cant we hear gods voice today as prophets back then.

Even Christ Jesus said himself.

"But take you heed; Behold, I have foretold you all things" Mark 1

He also said here are some things that cannot be held in one book. He said it twice. Im out the house. Only christians use sacred scripture to debate. I do not. Learning, yes.

Therefore why would God or Christ Jesus need to send Prophets seeing that Jesus has already foretold all things written down in the Bibl

If I mentioned that, why not?

Are you defining god by a book?

Does his actions and motivations limit him to a book?

If you can not believe what Christ Jesus and God has said in their written word, But yet people will believe a word of someone that comes professing to be a prophet.

Everyone believes differently. I believe jesus exist in spirit. I dont believe what he taught about his father.

So what people are doing, Taking a word of another, But yet can't believe Christ Jesus and God has said in their written word.

Of course. I take the word over, edit: of, rather my best friend than a stranger. You trust everyone on the same level?

Let's for say, That you written everything down that your children needs to know,
But yet someone else comes and tells your children I'm a prophet listen

If I were a mother, I wouldnt want my children to listen to a middleman. Only me.

Therefore why would I need a prophet, When I have Christ Jesus and God's word written down. To tell me everything I need to know.

Never said we did.

Though you are questioning gods authority based on a book??

Shrugs.
 
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dianaiad

Well-Known Member
(Lower d)

If prophets are human as we are, have we lost our hearing since 1817 (bahaullah) and 1805 (joseph smith), where they have heard the voice of god but our ears are mute to the message they received directly?

Where, from point A to point B, did we loose our hearing?

Oh...I think that it's more a case of being politically (or socially) correct. Religion...most of it...is based upon prophets having received revelation a long time ago, but not today, m'dear. It's just not done, y'know? There's something distasteful about the whole idea, like, oh, eating spaghetti with one's fingers or wearing white after Labor Day. It's all very well to politely accept that Jesus walked upon the planet and made miracles 2000 years ago, but we don't do that sort of thing NOW, of course.

How utterly gauche!

Besides, it makes things a great deal easier if one can put all that sort if thing...like miracles and revelations...in the 'Once upon a Time" category. That way one can be properly Christian and still not have to be uncomfortable with stuff like, oh....prophets.

The trouble with this is that if a religion is TRUE, that is, if there is a God and a religion is actually about Him, then He has every right to talk to whomever He wants to and whenever He wants to do it. It really makes people uncomfortable when He does that, because they then have to examine their own beliefs and figure out whether it's a religion....or a social club with, er, standards, donchaknow.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
(Lower d)

If prophets are human as we are, have we lost our hearing since 1817 (bahaullah) and 1805 (joseph smith), where they have heard the voice of god but our ears are mute to the message they received directly?

Where, from point A to point B, did we loose our hearing?
I quote The Who - We won't get fooled again"
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
The trouble with this is that if a religion is TRUE, that is, if there is a God and a religion is actually about Him, then He has every right to talk to whomever He wants to and whenever He wants to do it. It really makes people uncomfortable when He does that, because they then have to examin

Beyond the tone :confused:, the point is well made. I would like an answer to that, though. More constructive, really.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
If god can talk to prophets then, why does he not have the "ability and choice" to talk today?

Why would god only speak to Muhammad and the prophets?

I kinda know christian views. I just wish you guys go deeper than quoting scripture. But what about those who do not quote scripture, what say you about god only talking thousands of years ago but cut short his direct communication today.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
(Lower d)

If prophets are human as we are, have we lost our hearing since 1817 (bahaullah) and 1805 (joseph smith), where they have heard the voice of god but our ears are mute to the message they received directly?

Where, from point A to point B, did we loose our hearing?

I heard one of those messages, and so I investigated it (Bahai) over some years and it turned out to be all wrong as far as I could determine.

Many of us hear, but we don't believe in everything that we do hear.
:)
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
I'll come back to this. My question is you and I are human just as humans were back when. How are we deaf to gods voice and the prophets are not?

It has nothing to do with another prophet after john. Not talking about more prophets.

Side note.

The only gods (not god) back in the NT days were Roman and Greek (who took on human characteristics and only considered gods because of their living forever; everything else they were like and treated like humans)

To be continued...


God chosen his prophets, to communicate to them what his intentions were.

God already knew his prophets back in the first earth age. To send them here in this earth age.

This is why God said to Jeremiah, "Before I formed you in the belly I knew you, and before you came forth out of the womb I Sanctified you, and I ordained you a prophet unto the nation's" Jeremiah 1:5

Therefore God knew Jeremiah way before Jeremiah came into this earth age.
As did Jeremiah knew God, back in the first earth age, Before Jeremiah came into this earth age.
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
most of the disciple, who were all prophets, didn't die anywhere near jerusalem.

God's Holy Prophet's died at Jerusalem. And no where else.

There's a difference between the
Holy Prophet's and the Minor Prophets.

Therefore the disciples were Minor Prophets.

The Holy Prophet's are, Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Nehemiah, Ezra, Samuel, Zechariah.
John the Baptist.
To these were given the changing of the Covenant ( Agreement ) between God and man
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
I asked why cant we hear gods voice today as prophets back then.



He also said here are some things that cannot be held in one book. He said it twice. Im out the house. Only christians use sacred scripture to debate. I do not. Learning, yes.



If I mentioned that, why not?

Are you defining god by a book?

Does his actions and motivations limit him to a book?



Everyone believes differently. I believe jesus exist in spirit. I dont believe what he taught about his father.



Of course. I take the word over, edit: of, rather my best friend than a stranger. You trust everyone on the same level?



If I were a mother, I wouldnt want my children to listen to a middleman. Only me.



Never said we did.

Though you are questioning gods authority based on a book??

Shrugs.

Take it or leave it, Jesus said in
Mark 13:23 " But take you heed, behold,
I have foretold you all things"

Why would God or Jesus need to send any prophets, Seeing Jesus has already foretold all things, That are written down in the Bible.

If you can not believe God or Christ Jesus, what makes you think, that you would believe a prophet ?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I have my reasons for not being christian, but things like this is not an ideal way of teaching anyone about christ:
God chosen his prophets, to communicate to them what his intentions were.

I know.

I am asking that the prophets are human.
You are human.
It has only been so many thousand years ago. That is not long.
Why can you not hear gods voice and they can?
Did you (all) become deaf during the years?

God already knew his prophets back in the first earth age. To send them here in this earth age.

Okay...

This is why God said to Jeremiah, "Before I formed you in the belly I knew you, and before you came forth out of the womb I Sanctified you, and I ordaine

Yes. I read the whole bible and lived it.

Therefore God knew Jeremiah way before Jeremiah came into this earth age.

As did Jeremiah knew God, back in the first earth age, Before Jeremiah came into this earth age.

What are you getting at?

Take it or leave it, Jesus said in
Mark 13:23 " But take you heed, behold,
I have foretold you all things"

This is why people are not christian

You do not hold a truth.

You hold a belief.

You can see us as unfortunate if you like. That is not the religion Id hope people follow: those that seperate.

People were killed over this talk. Please dont reinvent the wheel.

Why would God or Jesus need to send any prophets, Seeing Jesus has already foretold all things, That are written down in the Bible.

I never said he had to.

I asked why can you hear gods voice just as the prophets?

To me, how can you be christian if you cant hear gods voice only gods prophets. (No question mark)

If you can not believe God or Christ Jesus, what makes you think, that you would believe a prophet ?

You would have to reread my post.

You already belittled me. The question just makes it worse.
 
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stvdv

Veteran Member
(Lower d)

If prophets are human as we are, have we lost our hearing since 1817 (bahaullah) and 1805 (joseph smith), where they have heard the voice of god but our ears are mute to the message they received directly?

Where, from point A to point B, did we loose our hearing?

When we got the radio, tv etc. Silence was gone.
"In Silence the Voice of God can be heard"
[Exodus 32 (Moses) gives quite a few nice pointers]

Key 1: If you call someone, you need his name. That's like the telephone number.
Key 2: You also need the area code. Don't use heaven, might take a long time. He is said to be in your heart. Much quicker response.
Key 3: God might be busy;), don't give up if He doesn't answer after the first call. Most probably your line is not clean enough [monkey mind etc]
Key 4: From the scriptures I know "If you need God, seems to be like emergency call [desperate = 911]".
Key 5: Most give up too soon. Even a woman first tests the boyfriend if he really is interested in her. No sex on the first date.
Key 6: You have 1 mouth and 2 ears. God is not deaf. No need to keep praying. Once should be enough. Shut up and listen [without youtube on]

But above all, see God as your friend and your protector. Talk to Him, and take a brake and give God a chance to talk to you. This means you need your mind empty, no thoughts. And that is the most difficult part. It helps if you eat very satwic food, don't watch tv, don't listen to radio, don't talk to other people - just do like Moses did. So now you understand why most people can't hear the voice of God. To many other desires. God is not their number one desire. It is this simple, but from human perspective not easy. [I kicked out tv, radio, etc 20 years ago. Didn't watch youtube nor used google much till 1 year ago. And even now I think I better stop internet except for mailing. rather keep my head empty].

I used to be very fanatic to get God to speak to me. I fasted like 5 times on only watermelon for 30-50 days. God really loved me doing that. And Him speaking to me inspired me to continue doing this. Also I did silence retreat, not speaking 1 word for 6 weeks. That even worked better than the watermelon. And when I am really sick and in big pain, I goto bed, and tell God "I won't get out, until you help me". And just keep on praying and listening. Sometimes 48 hours. Last few years I am not so sick anymore, so I tend to become a little lazier now; not so fanatic anymore. But as you see "If need is high, God is near".

But I not always get God to talk easy. Once I got rootcanal trouble. No dentist, just praying and crying:confused:. I didn't want to give up. Only after about 6 years and already 3 rootcanals God came in a vision and told me "goto the dentist". Later people told me it's kind of dangerous to walk around for 6years with rootcanal problems. I didn't even think of that. Maybe God took a little care of me;), without curing afterall [I just think of this now I type this].

* If I say "God talks to me", it's no proof that it's God of course. It's the same as with religion. It's my belief that God talks to me. So maybe better just say "I hear the universe whisper something in my head". When this happens I get double red alert. Because my experience is that "sometimes the universe kind of lies", which I understand. If I were God and gave stvdv common sense then I , as God, would take delight in testing if stvdv is smart enough to not blindly follow even "universal whispers".;)
 
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QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
(Lower d)

If prophets are human as we are, have we lost our hearing since 1817 (bahaullah) and 1805 (joseph smith), where they have heard the voice of god but our ears are mute to the message they received directly?

Where, from point A to point B, did we loose our hearing?

It's seems to me that we have simply gotten less gullible and naive. There are plenty of people living today who claim that they are prophets from God. We've just matured enough to realize that they shouldn't be taken seriously.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Off topic. Let me ask. Does jesus give you the means to belittle other people?

Th
erefore, for anyone to claim to be a prophet will die in Jerusalem of Israel and no where else. If they do not die in Jerusalem of Israel, Then they are a false prophet.

Not false. If they are prophets, so be. If not, so be. A lot of non-christians call christians crazy. A lot of christians call non-christians crazy.

Christians call other christians crazy!

Its silly. Im not in that boat. I see no false christian. I see no one crazy. We got totally different morals on human hospitality....

Therefore, showing Ellen G.White being a false prophet.

Shrugs. If it helps you spiritually to call others false, so be.

Shrugs.

Seeing you don't have a clue or idea Who Jesus is.

Ive read the bible ans experienced christ.

Maybe rephrase it so its not belittling. Maybe more so: what was your experience with jesus? Or better...do you have experiences knowing jesus.

Assumptions are the mother off mess ups.

Take it or leave it, Jesus said in
Mark 13:23 " But take you heed, behold,
I have foretold you all things"

Take it or leave it?

This sounds like a guilt-trip as if you know the wellbeing of someone else insomuch to say they miss out.

Would you rather follow a lie based on guilt and ultimatum?

If you can not believe God or Christ Jesus, what makes you think, that you would believe a prophet ?

That depends. You have to ask me if I do first before assuming what I do and do not know.

Get to know me some before making assumptions and watering it down with questions. It comes across rude.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Off topic. Let me ask. Does jesus give you the means to belittle other people?



Not false. If they are prophets, so be. If not, so be. A lot of non-christians call christians crazy. A lot of christians call non-christians crazy.

Christians call other christians crazy!

Its silly. Im not in that boat. I see no false christian. I see no one crazy. We got totally different morals on human hospitality....



Shrugs. If it helps you spiritually to call others false, so be.

Shrugs.



Ive read the bible ans experienced christ.

Maybe rephrase it so its not belittling. Maybe more so: what was your experience with jesus? Or better...do you have experiences knowing jesus.

Assumptions are the mother off mess ups.



Take it or leave it?

This sounds like a guilt-trip as if you know the wellbeing of someone else insomuch to say they miss out.

Would you rather follow a lie based on guilt and ultimatum?



That depends. You have to ask me if I do first before assuming what I do and do not know.

Get to know me some before making assumptions and watering it down with questions. It comes across rude.

It's evidence that you don't know the bible as much as you think you do.

It doesn't take much to know, that a person has no clue or idea about the bible, As they may think they do.

It doesn't take much figuring to see why God is not going to send any more Prophet's, especially seeing Jesus has foretold all things.

Everything that anyone needs to know, What Jesus said, is all written down in the biBib
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
You bypass my point by attack :(
It's evidence that you don't know the bible as much as you think you do.

How do you know?

Ask.

Assumptions are the mother of all mess ups

Especially online

It doesn't take much to know, that a person has no clue or idea about the bible, As they may think they do

Online????

Maybe because my experience is practice and devotion not hardcore reading. I find Im more close to christ by practice not by reading.

Funny, I think most christians would look to their bible if christ showed up. Hed probably roll his eyes and go back to his father. Telling his father: they have their nose stuck in a book. Pun intended.

It doesn't take much figuring to see why God is not going to send any more Prophet's, especially seeing Jesus has foretold all things.

I know. Takes awhile to actually understand what you guys mean by truth. I had to experience it.

Your interpretations and quotes are good for study but if you really want to talk about christ, we exchange experiences.

No judging.

Everything that anyone needs to know, What Jesus said, is all written down in the biBib

To believers. Not everyone is like you.

Once you get out of that them vs. you mindset, it would be easier to talk about christ.

Cant do that when you are belittling people who disagree with you.

My post had direct questions. You bypassed them all with attacks.

Why on earth do you do that?

Its really hard to take you serious when you attack more than you converse. :(
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I heard one of those messages, and so I investigated it (Bahai) over some years and it turned out to be all wrong as far as I could determine.

Many of us hear, but we don't believe in everything that we do hear.
:)

True. Thats why confirmation comes from sacred scripture. Id love to know more how god is from non-sacred text religions. Sacred-text people talk to much. Non-sacred text dont like to talk.

Cant win. :oops:
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Alot of people over look what Christ Jesus has said, about prophets, What Christ Jesus said will prove whether a Prophet is a true Prophet or a false Prophet.

"Nevertheless I must walk to day
, and to morrow, and the day following:
For it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem" Luke 13:33

Therefore if a prophet is a true prophet, Then that prophet would die in and around Jerusalem.

Seeing the Mormon's prophet Joseph Smith died at Carthage IL USA.
This being along ways from Jerusalem of Israel.

Therefore Christ Jesus proves Joseph Smith as being a false prophet. Of not dieing at Jerusalem of Israel.

Therefore, for anyone to claim to be a prophet will die in Jerusalem of Israel and no where else. If they do not die in Jerusalem of Israel, Then they are a false prophet.

Take the Seventh day Adventist prophet
Ellen G.White, her dieing at
Battle Creek Mich USA, Is a long ways from Jerusalem of Israel.
Therefore, showing Ellen G.White being a false prophet.

You have the meaning of Luke 13:33 wrong.

It does no mean that a prophet can't die outside Jerusalem. Many of them had died elsewhere. It means that he has to keep going as a prophet in Jerusalem, even with Herod after him, - until his death/perfection. He is using the word that is translated as "perish," to mean the loss of his teaching in those last days..

Luk 13:31 The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee.

Luk 13:32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

Luk 13:33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

Luk 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

*
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
True. Thats why confirmation comes from sacred scripture. Id love to know more how god is from non-sacred text religions. Sacred-text people talk to much. Non-sacred text dont like to talk.

Cant win. :oops:

I try to treat all religious scriptures as 'historical documents' only, and don't think of words such as 'sacred' 'spiritual' or 'moral' at all. That gives me a better chance to question and investigate objectively.

Some scriptures seem to stand up historically, others fall flat on their faces. But once I gave Bahai a good shaking it just fell apart for me.

I don't criticise anybody for their beliefs and faiths, but if they want to sell it all to me then they must expect some hard questions.
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
(Lower d)

If prophets are human as we are, have we lost our hearing since 1817 (bahaullah) and 1805 (joseph smith), where they have heard the voice of god but our ears are mute to the message they received directly?

Where, from point A to point B, did we loose our hearing?

As most of the others have said, - we don't know that anyone has ever spoken with a God, or if one or more even exist.

Saying your message is from a God, doesn't make it so.

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