Unless we know that for sure, I don't see the point of getting freaked out over doomsaying.
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Are We in Need of Salvation?
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Unless we know that for sure, I don't see the point of getting freaked out over doomsaying.
CynthiaCypher
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99.9% of all the species that have ever existed have went extinct.
I think there is a 99.9% chance that someday we will go extinct. We are pretty sure that catastrophic climate change is happening, we know that the global economy is unstable, we know for a fact that we are losing valuable natural resources that sustain civilization. We know that in the past when face with a global crisis involving resources, people tend to go to war and that the next war will probably a catastrophic blow to the environment. And there is much, much more happening.
We are doomed.
That is, about half as long as afarensis.
CynthiaCypher
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I don't see many Australopithecus afarensis lurking around...do you?
Whatever you say, Chicken Little.
CynthiaCypher
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I don't see apocalyptic doomsaying as being very realistic. Yes, there's a lot of problems but that doesn't mean we're on the brink of extinction within this century.
No.
CynthiaCypher
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Elisabeth Kubler Ross was famous psychiatrist. She developed wha we call the Kubler Ross Model. Basically it is a model of the various stages of grief go through or defense mechanisms people put up when faced with impeding death.
The first one is denial.
We are not just facing mere problem. Global climate change is not a problem that can be fixed, I don't know where you got the idea that global climate change is a problem.
Here is reality...global climate change is not a mere problem...it is a catastrophic disaster of epic proportion...it's an epoch making event. The last time we had climate change of major proportions such as what we are facing now...we had a mass extinction event. This isn't something that can be fixed or prevented, it has to be faced.
I rather be Chicken Little and see what is going on than have my head stuck so far up my *** I couldn't see anything but my own ****.
You're going to have to post some peer-reviewed studies to back up all your ranting and raving about the imminent end of the world. Until then, you're just coming off as an over-emotional doomsday type, similar to a religious kook who thinks the "end of days" is upon us.
Listen, lady, I've spent years in the conspiracy fringe and there's doomsday predictions every month from that scene. According to them, we're supposed to be all dead or dying from radiation sickness due to Fukushima. Or locked up in FEMA camps. Or whatever. I've learned not to put much stock in such things because it leads to nothing but fear, stress and despair. So you're going to have to offer me some real information supporting your fear before you get me to jump into the "the sky is falling!" boat.
Besides, if the world were about to end, I don't think I'd want to know, anyway. Why would you ruin someone's day with that nonsense? Or at least you better have some alcohol, pizza and certain psychoactive substances on hand when you break the news. Because if I'm going to go out, I want to go out drunk, stoned and oblivious. (Not encouraging those things, but it's a far-fetched hypothetical scenario where those things won't matter, anyway.)
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CynthiaCypher
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Before I give you the reams of material I have on climate change I am going to give you a little fact.
If the average temperature goes up by 4° to 6°C then the earth becomes uninhabitable for human life. We are talking about a temperature that will destroy most arable land and destroy most sea life. And guess how much of a rise climate scientist are predicting given the 40 year gap between emission of green house gases and the effect...they give us 20 years until we feel the full effects of the gases that were emitted in the 90's. We will see that rise in temperature.
People like you who just dismiss global climate change are no better than those conservative who just completely dismiss it as a myth. You don't want to face that it is not a problem...it is a catastrophe. And it is people like you who are preventing others to deal with this catastrophe.
Who do you think you are, talking to me like that? I don't deny climate climate change and I'm certainly not stopping scientists from studying it. Don't you try to guilt me. I'm just not interested in jumping on your fear-mongering bandwagon unless I have concrete evidence. I've learned not to take people's dubious claims at face value. It's a virtue that's only seen as a vice to snake oil salesmen and the insane.
CynthiaCypher
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I said that 4° to 6°C more then it becomes uninhabitable for human life, that is a scientific fact, it would be like moving us an foot towards the sun. That isn't snake oil it is the truth. You just don't want to face it.
I don't see any studies being posted. I just see you proclaiming your argument as truth and acting like I'm in denial of something you haven't substantiated.
You gonna give sources or not? Otherwise, I'm done with you. You can go play games with someone else.
We are becoming weak, useless. Dependent on each other, and addicted to existence worse than druggies to their drugs. We'll fall into annihilation inevitably, but there's a way to fall into annihilation with less screams. To put simply, we need to be saved from fear of the inevitable, and be saved from weakening defenses against the inevitable.
We are saved by ourselves, we can't save others. We can give them ideas on how to save themselves, but a necessary ingredient is their willpower.
The only thing necessary for salvation is acceptance. You diving into a river? Look at both ends and accept them both, no preferences to where you end up. If you can't do that, then don't dive in. If you're being forced in, then force your acceptance.
Basically - If you don't like something and can change it, then change it. If you don't like something and can't change it, pouting's not going to change it since it's unchangeable, so accept it.
You might have at some point noticed we live in communities, are dependent on each other, and act in concert with each other to fulfill our wants and needs. The evidence from the evolutionary sciences is that our species -- and its ancestors, going back millions of years -- have always lived in communities, been dependent on each other, and acted in concert with with each other to fulfill our wants and needs. Bears live alone. Humans don't.
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SkylarHunter
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You are probably right and it's true that humans have a great capacity to adjust, but that only stretches so far. We cannot adapt to lack of oxygen, food and clean water. Climate change is a much bigger problem than economy and a lot of people don't want to see that.
It's now accepted by the majority of scientists that humans contribute largely to climate change and that the consequences are disastrous. We are already feeling some of those consequences and what is to come is a lot worse but governments don't have the courage to do what needs to be done, and people are not willing to give up some of their comfort in order to save this planet.
We can't survive without our planet and we are destroying it fast.
In the book of Genesis Satan, using a serpent, questions God's authority over humans and implies that we can take care of ourselves. Looking at the world today and where we are heading, I can see he was wrong. We humans - as a society - are not capable of looking after ourselves. We destroy each other and our own home and that will continue until there is nothing left unless, like the Bible says, God will come and fix this.
It is interesting. Usually it's "Our very natures makes us think we're perfect" but you seem to be saying the opposite.
That's not exactly what I was suggesting, sorry I didn't put much description into it.
Today, we have humans who find themselves imperfect elect a small group of other humans whom they put large quantities of faith in, and rely on them ever too deeply.
But the irony in that is, it's exactly the same way turned around; this small group of other humans (the government) also relies on our participation too deeply - their forces would be next to useless if we weren't manipulated by fearing them.
While we depend on each other in the sense that we're an interdependent, communal species is different than saying we depend on each other in the sense that everyone expects the other guy to do most of the work for them, and I'm sure we can already know what goes wrong with that.